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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;This is the practice of running two amplifiers (and two pairs or wire) to each speaker, one amplifier for the woofer, and one amplifier for the tweeter.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Of course you can also tri-amp, quad-amp, etc., depending on the number of drivers employed in your particular system.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;First, let’s get something out in the open.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;There is no such thing as “Watts RMS.”&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Get it out of your vocabulary.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It is a misnomer.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;They are just “Watts.”&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;When you apply a voltage of 1 Volt and you have a resulting current of 1 Ampere, the result is 1 Watt dissipated into the load.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;In describing AC signals engineers use the term RMS (root mean square) which describes the voltages and current in terms of an equivalent DC voltage or current.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Thus a 1 Volt RMS signal over a given period of time has and equivalent EMF (electromotive force) as 1 Volt DC, and a 1 Amp RMS signal is equivalent number of electrons flowing as a 1 &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;Amp&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;DC&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; signal.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you have a 1V&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt; signal delivering 1A&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt; current the resulting power is still 1W, &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;&lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;not&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt; 1W&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt;.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It doesn’t matter how many people use the term, or how long the terms has been used, it is still incorrect.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;It’s like saying the word “jeep” came from slurring the letters “GP” which means “general purpose.”&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;This has been repeated so many times, for so many years, that people think it is true.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It was even a question, er, answer on Jeopardy.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;A) The word “jeep” had been used in the military for a number of vehicles before the “jeep.”&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;B) “GP” does &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;&lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;not&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt; mean “general purpose”.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Rather, “GP” came from the term “GPW” which was Ford designation for the WWII “jeep” that they built under &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;G&lt;/B&gt;overnment contract.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Now you know where the “G” came from.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The “P” was simply a designation for the 80 inch wheelbase.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The “W” indicated that the vehicle was built to the &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;W&lt;/B&gt;illy’s design.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Ford’s own documents prove this.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Interestingly I saw some antique farm tractors at the State Fair from the time period and earlier that were labeled “General Purpose”, so maybe that’s how the whole thing got started.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;But I digress…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;When it comes to amplifier ratings, I’m in the same camp as Paul Klipsch.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Rating amplifiers in &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;Watts&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; is a bad idea.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Some have suggested rating them in dBW (dB’s relative to 1 Watt) or in horsepower(!?), or as Mr. Klipsch suggested, &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;Watts&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; peak.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;I would rather they be rated in Volts rms and drive capability, either specifying a load impedance or current capacity.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Why does this make a difference you ask?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Because rating an amplifier at 1000W gives consumers the impression that it is 10 times what a 100W amplifier is.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;In terms of sound output, that’s not the case.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;A 1000W amplifier will play 10dB louder than a 100W amplifier, if your speakers can take it (they can’t).&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;So what’s 10dB?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It’s only a relative doubling of apparent volume. 90dB SPL is twice as loud (to the human ears) as 80dB SPL, which is twice as loud as 70dB, which is twice as loud as 60dB.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;So what is the power difference between 60dB and 100dB SPL?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;10,000:1.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Which is part of the reason Paul Klipsch said, “All the world needs is a good 5 Watt amplifier,” or something like that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Of course, you would also want a pair of Klipschorns if you only had 5 Watts… and he did.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;So what can a 1000W amplifier do that a 100W model can’t do?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It can play loud transients cleanly without clipping.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;And it can destroy your speakers very quickly if you get stupid with the volume knob.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;But wouldn’t it be less expensive to have more efficient speakers than to pay for a bigger amplifier?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Give yourself a cookie.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It was true 60 years ago and it’s still true today*.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you increase the sensitivity of your speakers by 6dB, you can decrease you amplifier needs by a factor of four.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Now your 25W amplifier sounds like 100W, and you aren’t in any danger of melting your voice coils.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you have K-horns, then your 25W amplifier sounds like 630W (compared to a speaker with a 90dB sensitivity rating), and a 100W amplifier sounds like 2500W.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;That’s what it means when Klipsch talks about dynamic range.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;(* Given the current state of power electronics it’s somewhat less true than it used to be, but there aren’t many 1000W per channel &lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;consumer&lt;/I&gt; amplifiers that don’t cost at least as much as a pair of K-horns.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The more enlightened among us (or cheap, like me) just buy a nice Crown or QSC professional amp and call it a day.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Anyway, back to my point…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Using voltage to describe amplifier power, you would get 12.5W (into 8 Ohms) for a 10V (rms) amplifier, 50W for a 20V amplifier, 200W for a 40V amplifier, 800W for an 80V amplifier, and so on.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Each doubling of voltage represents a 6dB increase in output power.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Not exactly what we need but it’s a big improvement.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Another option is to rate the log of power (10W is a “1”, 100W is a “2”, and 1000W is a “3”), but that doesn’t quite work either… I need to figure out how to make 10W a “1”, 100W a “2” and 1000W a “4”.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;The reasoning Paul Klipsch had for wanting amplifier ratings in peak power output goes like this…&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you need 50W for a 200Hz signal and 50W for a 2kHz signal, the amplifier required to reproduce the signal without clipping is a 200W amplifier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;What?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Doesn’t 50W+50W=100W.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Well yes, but…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;50W requires a voltage swing of 20V&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt;.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;For a sine wave, that’s 28.28V peak.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;To fully reproduce both signals at the same time without clipping requires 40V&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt; or 56.57V peak.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;A 100W amplifier can only deliver 40V peak (28.28V&lt;SUB&gt;rms&lt;/SUB&gt;).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Now, back to bi-amping…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;There is some real “magic” in bi-amping.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you do it right you can theoretically take two 50W amplifiers and make it sound like a 200W amplifier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;How about a little controversy?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Another reason Klipsch puts dual binding posts on some of our speakers is so people can bi-amp their speakers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Other than the obvious, taking 100 Watts worth of amplifier and making it sound like 200W, why would you want to do this?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;A good reason would be that the woofers need a lot more power than tweeters. Five or ten &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;Watts&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; on a tweeter is a whole lot of sound.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;Twenty Watts&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt; is getting up there, and fifty Watts, well that’s just not nice at all.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;On the other hand the woofer might be happy with 100 Watts.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The benefit is that you don’t overpower your tweeter, and when you clip your woofer amp (which happens a lot more than you might think) none of the nasty signal gets to your tweeter.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Also, some people believe that amplifier “A” sounds better on woofers whereas the tweeter really needs amplifier “B” to sound its best.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Whatever (maybe there’s another blog topic.), it’s one more reason why we have dual binding posts on some of our speakers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;So where’s the controversy?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Just taking two stereo amplifiers and hooking them up to your speakers (removing the straps on the input terminals) is called &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;passive bi-amping&lt;/B&gt; (or “fool’s bi-amping” for the non-PC) and is very close to being just a waste of money (again many people will disagree).&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;You are sending the entire music signal to both amplifiers and both amplifiers are amplifying the entire signal, but you are allowing the passive crossover network to filter the amplified signals.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;I can’t think of any benefit in doing this.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The tweeter amplifier is still reproducing the bass signals and they are still causing the amplifier to clip.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;(Perhaps there &lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;is&lt;/I&gt; a slight benefit by not requiring the &lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;current&lt;/I&gt; of the bass notes, as this can increase the headroom of the tweeter amplifier – by not drawing down the power supply rail voltage.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;So why is it again that we put multiple binding posts on our speakers?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Some people claim it makes a difference, and (my own opinion here) we don’t want that to be the reason they don’t our speakers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;One step better than “passive bi-amping” is to add an active filter ahead of the amplifiers, an octave away from the stock crossover point, and thus gain some tangible usefulness (my opinion) of this arrangement.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;This wouldn’t affect the stock crossover too much and would relieve the amplifiers of amplifying signals that aren’t being used (especially helpful for the tweeter).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Real bi-amping requires &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;active bi-amping&lt;/B&gt; which is that the crossover is done electronically with active filters or a DSP and these signals are sent to the amplifiers.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The amplifiers then drive the speakers directly with no passive crossover components at all.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;The hard part of doing this is that unless you can accurately reproduce the passive crossover with an active system, your speakers will not sound like they were designed to sound, since when you do an active bi-amp you remove the stock passive crossover network.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;So real bi-amping requires dual binding posts, but doesn’t require the passive crossover network (which is usually many times the price of the binding posts)… Hmmmm… so if someone really wanted to bi-amp, why would they want to pay for passive networks?&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Oh well, some things will never make sense to this engineer.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Many of us already enjoy the benefits of a bi-amped home theater system when we use a powered subwoofer.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The low frequencies go to the sub, and the receiver is now free of a large power burden.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The woofers in the main speakers can now reproduce the upper bass and mids with lower distortion, and overall the system has a much better dynamic range.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;It also makes it possible to get great sound from smaller unobtrusive designs.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Where bi-amped (or tri-amped) systems really shine is in &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;powered systems&lt;/B&gt;.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The power output, frequency response (via EQ), and limiting (and/or compression) can be tailored to the drivers in the system.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;And the drivers can be tailor made for the frequency spectrum they reproduce, not that they aren’t already, but if you relieve, say a 5” woofer from the demand of reproducing the lowest 2-3 octaves, you can design it for a better midrange sound.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Bi-, tri-, quad-amping is commonplace in professional rigs.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;And if you hear a true bi-amped system with well designed filters (and limiting/compression when the situation calls for it), you’ll want to do on every speaker.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Shameless plug:&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.klipsch.com/news-center/press-releases/details/klipsch-icon-series-a-sound-fit-for-flat-panel-displays.aspx"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;Klipsch Bi-amp towers&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt; announced.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;Maybe Andre will talk a little about these puppies in one of his blogs.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;The comment I heard from Kerry Geist after listening was, “If we can’t sell that…”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;One side effect of a &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;passive crossover network&lt;/B&gt; is that it absorbs some of the power going to your speakers.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;In a perfect world inductors and capacitors would not absorb any power.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;When you make them out of real materials they do.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;In addition, most of the time tweeters will have more output than woofers, so the network will likely use a padding resistor to match the output.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;If you need to pad a tweeter by just 3dB, then the resistor will absorb &lt;B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;"&gt;&lt;I style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal;"&gt;half&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt; of the power going to the tweeter.&lt;SPAN style="mso-spacerun:yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;So, if you’re bi-amping, you could cut your tweeter amp power in half, or you could have 3dB more overall output.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;FONT size=3&gt;That sounds like a Klipsch design philosophy, doesn’t it?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://forums.klipsch.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=962006" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://forums.klipsch.com/blogs/andyw/archive/tags/bi-amp/default.aspx">bi-amp</category><category domain="http://forums.klipsch.com/blogs/andyw/archive/tags/bi-amplifing/default.aspx">bi-amplifing</category><category domain="http://forums.klipsch.com/blogs/andyw/archive/tags/amplifier+power+rating/default.aspx">amplifier power rating</category><category domain="http://forums.klipsch.com/blogs/andyw/archive/tags/bi-amping/default.aspx">bi-amping</category></item></channel></rss>