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  • 03-19-2008 10:29 PM

    • Cask05
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    Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    I began to read the Jubilee threads on this forum in October 2007.  Like Bill W., I lacked access to Jubilees for audition.  However my past and present understanding of acoustics convinced me of the clear advantages of the Jubilees over my then Khorn clones. Trusting the Klipsch forum wasn’t really difficult since the Jub entries literally went hundreds of pages.  When I think about it, I cannot recall any other product about which can make that claim. From order to delivery took less than two weeks—fairly spectacular performance out of Klipsch, especially considering it was the week before Christmas.

    Setup: When the Jubes arrived, I had a couple of days getting them set up and equalized/ balanced with the two XTi’s I also bought to drive them using active crossover capabilities in the Crown amps just like the commercial theater installations do.  Once I did get them setup and got a chance to crank them up a bit, these units “came alive”.  Turning them up doesn’t result in facial grimaces or other teeth-clenching exercises like it did for the Khorns – these units just keep sounding better and better until you notice that it’s actually louder than real life, in which case you back the gain down until they sound real when you close your eyes. At this point, conversation is good if you know ASL (American Sign Language).

    Note that I am listening with anechoic XTi settings from Roy’s work in their chamber. I believe this results in a measure of realism that may not be uniformly heard in all Jubilee installations—caveat emptor to DIY electronics folks when using Jubes. My present room is tailor-made for corner horns – about 16 feet wide, 9 feet high, 40 feet long, and with two good symmetric corners. 

    Performance: I’ll dispense with any discussions about lf and hf drivers, horn expansion profiles, driver integration discussion, or crossover theory since I don’t think those things are important to the casual listener in any case.  Jubilee performance is something that is very difficult for me to characterize since they’ve been a very different experience than any other speakers I’ve heard. 

    First, I’ve given up comparing these units to other speakers–I think of the Jubes as the closest thing to reality that I’ve ever heard.  Pianos, female voices, string orchestras, horns, percussion, etc. sound like you remember they should.  I don’t set any other speakers on that standard including Khorns or any other high-end speakers.  Every day that I get to listen to these speakers is a good one—in fact, it’s usually the highlight of my day. 

    Second, I’ve since become an avid collector of high quality CDs, and many of those have been recommended on this forum. I’m delighted with each small journey that the USPS brings to my doorstep pretty much daily via Amazon Marketplace.  I, too, have been busy rediscovering hundreds of hours worth of music: I’ve got a few hundred more to go with all the older vinyl I collected up to around 1984, but never got rid of.  Some of that old vinyl doesn’t sound bad now, but no vinyl sounds like the best CDs that I now own. I guess that I should try out a much better TT, but right now that exercise just doesn’t appeal to me.

    Third, the bottom end is solid, regardless of what anyone might think or say.  I’d be hard pressed to want a subwoofer for any music that is playing.  I have a DEQ2496 equalizer that I use, exclusively to equalize the low-end cutoff another 4-5-or more Hz.  My organ records shake the room like I remember the real thing—maybe because the room they're in is large enough to support lf down to the low-20 Hz range in one dimension.  Anyone that says that they need a subwoofer with these probably has some tendency toward bass addiction— a common malady in this market—or they are watching war and action movies with lots of percussive audio effects.  My observation: you better get out your wallet to get subwoofers that can successfully and usefully extend the extreme lf performance of these babies-because they do very well as-is, assuming good corner loading.

    Fourth, these units fill the entire room with a balanced sound image, from front to back and side-to-side.  Some areas of the room reinforce lf performance better, such that you can sit at my breakfast table at the back of the room and really rock along with Brian Bromberg’s “Wood” bass with a feeling of realism.  Even in adjoining rooms, the sound still feels like a live performance is playing in the next room.  This is something which is much different than even the Khorns.

    Listener Comments: Comments from folks that have come by include the usual: dead silence—no expression at all, “…wow…those don’t sound…like mine”, “my wife will never let those things into the house”, “…how much?”, “you should have seen that fish I caught last month”, “have you ever thought about tubes”, etc. 

    Admittedly, the number of people that have auditioned them has been a couple of dozen vs. probably many hundreds in Bill W.’s restaurant, but the reaction is fairly uniform in my experience – mainly dead silence.  Most of the most critical listeners seem to be women, not guys.  They seem to open up a bit more with “those are the best speakers that I’ve ever heard… where did those come from?”, “I didn’t know that speakers could sound like that…but they aren’t very good looking are they?”. Younger folks (in their 20s) usually don’t appear to notice anything until their video games start up—then they have a tendency to stick around for a long time playing on the large flat screen TV between the Jubes.  I think they just “zone out”, sort of like a Bradbury story.

    At the risk of alienating some auditioners that bring their own music for audition, a great deal of what I hear really doesn’t do these units justice.  The one time that I was obliged to put some of my demo CDs on, the performance change was nothing short of dramatic- especially for low bass recordings.  I now subscribe to the theory that you should listen to new music when you audition new speakers, even if it is mixed in with music that you are already familiar with. 

    I hope some of this might be useful to those that might be thinking about Jubes.

    Respectfully,

    Chris A.

    (This is a second thread on this general topic--see http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/99200.aspx?PageIndex=1 for the first thread in this series).

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  • 03-19-2008 10:59 PM In reply to

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    Chris,

    Thanks for the review. The way you describe the sound of the Jubs rings true with what I've heard of them in my listening opportunities.

    They are amazing in what they do.

    Setting them up with Roy's anechoic measurements would have them optimized as perfectly as possible.

     

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  • 03-19-2008 11:23 PM In reply to

    • Arky
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    Re: Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    Daddy Dee:

    The way you describe the sound of the Jubs rings true with what I've heard of them in my listening opportunities.

    They are amazing in what they do.

    Both times i've heard them in Hope was simply outstanding.

    You have excellent writing skills, btw. 

    JT

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  • 03-20-2008 12:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    " Comments from folks that have come by include the usual: dead silence—no expression at all,"

    That was my first and second reaction, then it changed to smiles. At first all I could think was, I have never heard recorded music sound like this ?

    That 402 horn, and LF horn is unbelievable, Roy should be VERY proud !  

    Congratulations on another 100 days, like it's hard to do. Confused

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  • 03-20-2008 12:40 AM In reply to

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    thanks Arky.

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  • 03-20-2008 1:18 AM In reply to

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    Wonderful. You have many good hours of pure music enjoyment in your future. Enjoy.

  • 03-20-2008 8:22 AM In reply to

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    Cask05:

     

    Some of that old vinyl doesn’t sound bad now, but no vinyl sounds like the best CDs that I now own. I guess that I should try out a much better TT, but right now that exercise just doesn’t appeal to me.

    Like you, I got away from vinyl around 1986, and started collecting high quality CD's (mobile fidelity, xrcd, etc), but I still felt something was missing in the music. Now granted, I don't have Jubs to listen with. But after being away from vinyl for 15 years I started to get back into it. First with a modest Dual CS-5000, and for the last 2 years with my rebuilt Thorens TD-124/SME 3009/Zu DL-103.

    Let me tell you right now that those high quality recorded CD's do not compare to the sound of high quality recorded vinyl on a decent vinyl rig. I'm not sure what your vinyl setup is, or what preamp/phono setup you are using, but I would think if my modest vinyl setup (and BBX w/cream)  was hooked to your Crown/Jubs it would sound glorious! Maybe one day I can try it out in my own home. Big Smile

    Congrats on the Jubs, btw. I'm jealous as all getout.

    Mike

     

     

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  • 03-20-2008 9:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    Top ****!!!

    (I'm saving that for JB to say)

    It just gets better doesn't it?  I think the following nails it down pretty well.

    Cask05:
    I’ve given up comparing these units to other speakers–I think of the Jubes as the closest thing to reality that I’ve ever heard.  Pianos, female voices, string orchestras, horns, percussion, etc. sound like you remember they should.  I don’t set any other speakers on that standard including Khorns or any other high-end speakers.  Every day that I get to listen to these speakers is a good one—in fact, it’s usually the highlight of my day. 

     

  • 03-20-2008 3:08 PM In reply to

    • Cask05
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    Re: Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    seti:

    Congrats!

    The Klipschorn Jubilee's are my favorite speaker. However, I still lean toward the K510 over the K402 but the K402 looks much coooler.

    Ahh, seti:

    Those look better than mine, at least for now...

    Chris A. 

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  • 03-20-2008 3:18 PM In reply to

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    Wow I am envious, very nice system.  That is indeed Top Notch.

    Pyrokinetic since 1998
  • 03-20-2008 3:33 PM In reply to

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    THX Chris, I have been in love from the first time Roy played the R&D model in his labBig Smile

    Hoping to have Jub mains one day meselfWink

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  • 03-20-2008 3:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Another Hundred Days of Jubilee Ownership

    Cask05:

    seti:

    Congrats!

    The Klipschorn Jubilee's are my favorite speaker. However, I still lean toward the K510 over the K402 but the K402 looks much coooler.

    Ahh, seti:

    Those look better than mine, at least for now...

    Chris A. 

     

     

    Yeah but I just have pics to look at and you have the real deal in your home to listen to. 

  • 03-20-2008 4:06 PM In reply to

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    seti:
    Yeah but I just have pics to look at and you have the real deal in your home to listen to

    Pffffffffffft.....  like what they sound like is important? 

    Confused

  • 03-20-2008 4:18 PM In reply to

    • Cask05
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    seti:

    Yeah but I just have pics to look at and you have the real deal in your home to listen to. 

    But there is one thing you probably do have on me - seeing and hearing them in Hope with Roy showing them off.  Too bad "The Gathering" isn't in Arkansas this year...that's a lot shorter drive from here.

    By the way, only a small portion of what I write at the top is intended to induce pangs of envy: since Roy's efforts have helped out so much in producing these speakers and educating his potential buyers on the "why" of his design (which isn't exactly high WAF), I thought that he should be rewarded for his tinkering which I have benefited from.  If there was a way to make these more accessible to the typical audio owner, I would think that would be good. I believe that everyone should have a chance to hear these things: they’ve finally taken away a lot of dissatisfaction that I've had since I was young. I wish we had these things then...then I'd have spent a lot more of my time listening to a lot more music, in a much more engaging way.

    Cheers,

     

    Chris

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