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  • 04-11-2008 7:22 PM

    Heresy/Eico

    I have a pair of Heresys, and I just hooked up an Eico classic series 2036 amp, the first tube amp I've owned. I like the sound very much, but I'm wondering if anyone has any advice on tweaking things. The turntable is an old Rotel, and it seems to do very well. Thanks.

    Bruce

  • 04-12-2008 9:50 AM In reply to

    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Welcome to the Forum!! I'm sure that others with much experience in tubes will help you with suggestions on tweaking the Eico.

    On the Heresy's, there are several things that you can do to get the best out of them. There are two types - removable rear panel (H-I's) and MDF non-removable rear panel (H-II's and III's). If they are the new H-III's, you don't need to do anything other than enjoy them.

    On the older H-II's and in particular the H-I's, you should consider changing the capacitors on the crossover networks. You can either do it yourself, or contact some of the Forum members. Bob Crites (BEC) or DeanG come to mind.

    If you have Heresy-I's, you should carefully remove the rear panel and "seal" it with closed cell foam speaker gasket tape (parts express has it). Reason, the Heresy is an acoustic suspension speaker and any "leaks tend to hurt the bass response. Also with the rear panel off, would be a good time to remove the crossovers for the cap replacements and check the soldering connections on the drivers, etc. Also, check the torque on the screws that hold the drivers to the "motor board". I would suggest to lay the speaker down on it's front and loosen all of the driver screws and retighten them carefully and evenly, a little at a time, and by going back and forth to make sure they are "pulling" the flange of the driver down evenly. You can also add a dab of GE black silicone around the edge of each screw hole on the woofer driver to prevent "leaks". The silicone is removable if you need to replace the woofer at some point. You could also check the driver resistance with a multimeter and see what they are showing for resistance in ohms. Each "pair" should be more or less within ~0.1 - ~0.2 of each other. If they are not close to each other in measurement there there is a problem. Check with BEC for the desired values for the drivers. For midrange and tweeters, the most common problem is a bad diaphragm. Look at BEC's web site (critesspeakers.com) and you can see the different diaphragm replacement options. Woofers bad? Just replace them. Klipsch parts has the K-24's which are the replacement woofers for the H-I and H-II. You can also replace the woofers on both with the K-28 which is the new version used on the H-III.

    On the Heresy-II's, check the driver screws on the front, and you might find several are not tight. In order to change the capacitors, you must remove the woofer, then the midrange, and then the tweeter. use a piece of tape to mark each wire pair, and carefully unclip the spade connectors on the drivers as you lift them out. Check the gaskets. Generally while they are re-useable, a new set from Klipsch parts are inexpensive, or you can make your own from the parts express speaker gasket tape. With the drivers out, unscrew the crossover terminal cup on the back, lift it out (it's a tight fit....) and either send it off to whomever will do the caps for you or if you are good with a soldring iron, go for it. Because it's on a printed circuit board, I generally would ask for someone else to do it. Other than the driver gaskets on the H-II, it's generally well sealed. That being said, however, you can lay down a thick bead of woodworkers glue on each internal seam and thus make sure there are no "leaks".  Check the driver resistance with a multimeter. And, the same thing about even torquing the screws when "bolting" them back on. Reverse order, and make sure the spade clips are on snug. Use a pencil eraser on the spade lugs on the drivers to clean off any oxidation.

    It's a good maintenance schedule every few years and will keep them up and running.

    Best of luck and again, welcome!!

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  • 04-12-2008 10:52 AM In reply to

    • picky
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    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Bruce: It's great to have you here on the forum. Welcome!

    There's really not to much I can add to Groomlakearea51's excellent advice above. Just one thing: If you feel you need to do some interal work on your Eico, an excellent contact for you would be Craig who runs an outstanding tube-amp rebulding service here in Michigan (near Flint) under the name NOS Valves (he has a web site), which also happens to be his Klipsch forum screen name. He has rebult many member's amps better than new and also custom builds new amps such as his VRDs.

    I personally own a Heresy III - Eico combination as well and I absoultely love the way it sounds, yet I have done nothing to the speakers or the amp; just enjoyed them the way they are. The Eico is a 1961 ST-70 integrated amp (35 Watts/Channel) that I found on eBay in perfect working condition. It's kinda ugly-looking (to me anyway) but the sound I get is so realistic-sounding, especially when listening to the blues. It sounds as if the drums are in the room with you. I plan to have Craig rebuld the amp some day but for now it doesn't seem to have any problems so I am leaving well enough alone, as he'd suggested. The most unusal thing about mine is that it is my garage system and we enjoy hearing is while we work in the garage, the yard or while sitting on our deck which is adjacent the front of the garage. The neighbors haven't complained yet so I figure they like it too. -Glenn



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  • 04-12-2008 10:54 AM In reply to

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    My setup...



    Featured in the following magazines and hardcover books:
    'Audio Video Interiors Magazine's supplement "Monthly Reader Theater" in June 2006 Issue of 'Home Theater Magazine' page 86.
    Sept 2007 Issue of Best Buy's 'Best Magazine', Page 26 "Extreme Home Theater Makeovers".
    'Home Theater Buyer's Guide 2007': Chosen one of "Top 4 Best Reader Theaters of the year".
    Interviewed in 'House Lust: America's Obsession with Our Homes' - Hardcover by 'Newsweek' columnist & author, Daniel McGinn
  • 04-12-2008 10:56 AM In reply to

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    Re: Heresy/Eico

    The Heresy III's are wall-mounted...



    Featured in the following magazines and hardcover books:
    'Audio Video Interiors Magazine's supplement "Monthly Reader Theater" in June 2006 Issue of 'Home Theater Magazine' page 86.
    Sept 2007 Issue of Best Buy's 'Best Magazine', Page 26 "Extreme Home Theater Makeovers".
    'Home Theater Buyer's Guide 2007': Chosen one of "Top 4 Best Reader Theaters of the year".
    Interviewed in 'House Lust: America's Obsession with Our Homes' - Hardcover by 'Newsweek' columnist & author, Daniel McGinn
  • 04-12-2008 11:05 AM In reply to

    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Glenn,

    very cool wall mount.

     

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  • 04-12-2008 11:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Thanks. Dee! They're made by On-Stage and they are model SS7913B. They are sold in pairs and each will support up to 100 pounds. They were quite affordable. I found them at Guitar Center. I did not have to make any new holes in the Heresies. I mounted some home-made plywood "plates" to the bottoms using the original Heresy floor cradle mounting holes. The stands are mounted to those plates. The speakers can pivot (rotate) side-to-side if the owner desires to toe the speakers in or out. -Glenn


    Featured in the following magazines and hardcover books:
    'Audio Video Interiors Magazine's supplement "Monthly Reader Theater" in June 2006 Issue of 'Home Theater Magazine' page 86.
    Sept 2007 Issue of Best Buy's 'Best Magazine', Page 26 "Extreme Home Theater Makeovers".
    'Home Theater Buyer's Guide 2007': Chosen one of "Top 4 Best Reader Theaters of the year".
    Interviewed in 'House Lust: America's Obsession with Our Homes' - Hardcover by 'Newsweek' columnist & author, Daniel McGinn
  • 04-12-2008 1:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Thanks, Groomslakwarea51, and thanks, Glenn. These are Heresy I's, so your advice I'm sure will be helpful. Not being too handy with circuity and soldering, I think I'll rely on the audio guy in Columbus. Thanks again for the welcome and the information.

     

    Bruce

  • 04-13-2008 5:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Heresy/Eico

    The best way to bring Heresys to life ; TUBE THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 04-13-2008 8:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Heresy/Eico

    Glenn Rocks! I saw this thread title and immediately thought of you. Those Heresy stands are awesome! 

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  • 04-13-2008 10:28 AM In reply to

    Re: Heresy/Eico

    I found this Article about Eico's.............it states that they mate well with Horns!............(sure you all knew this though).

    http://home.earthlink.net/~eico_hf81/

    Here is an Eico HF 81 ON Ebay..........BIN only 475.00

    http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-EICO-HF-81-HF81-EL-84-6BQ5-Integrated-Tube_W0QQitemZ140221869186QQihZ004QQcategoryZ50593QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


  • 04-13-2008 10:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: Heresy/Eico

     anybody notice the 'beer-colored' peg board?

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