This is true.  The historical reason for such privileges is to limit the exposure of risk to investors.  Back in history, if you stood to lose your home and all your wealth to potential unlimited liability you assumed by investing in a cargo ship, you'd have been less inclined to invest in it.  To foster investment, the risk was reduced.  The reduced risk cultivated development and economic progress.  On occasion, the limited liability aspect has been at the expense of individuals injured by the business.  It is not a perfect solution, but a more or less subsistence living based on what you could grow in your own garden is not all that good either.

Jeff Matthews:

This is true.  The historical reason for such privileges is to limit the exposure of risk to investors.  Back in history, if you stood to lose your home and all your wealth to potential unlimited liability you assumed by investing in a cargo ship, you'd have been less inclined to invest in it.  To foster investment, the risk was reduced.  The reduced risk cultivated development and economic progress.  On occasion, the limited liability aspect has been at the expense of individuals injured by the business.  It is not a perfect solution, but a more or less subsistence living based on what you could grow in your own garden is not all that good either.

 

I think there might be two distinct issues - - limited liability, and legal personhood. I am probably understanding of liability issue, but not at all of granting personhood under perverted readings of the 14th ammendment. No, I sure don't think a "corporation" has a protection against search and seizure, nor do I think they have a right to free speech and so on. These "human rights" do not belong in the corporate entity whatsoever.

Through the last 100 years or so, using constant attacks in the courts, they have become Super Persons who now control every aspect of your life including 100% of your political institutions. I can't support that for any reason.  

Protection against unlawful search and seizure.  I much favor the corporation against the rights of government intrusion.

Protection of free speech.  Same thing. 

Corporations are run by and through people, and to the extent their rights are commensurate with those of private citizens, I am all for it. 

Your biggest beef is probably with corporate influence over government.  Now there, I have some issues.  But it takes two to tango (i.e. government is not exactly a victim here).

Jeff Matthews:

Protection against unlawful search and seizure.  I much favor the corporation against the rights of government intrusion.

Protection of free speech.  Same thing. 

Corporations are run by and through people, and to the extent their rights are commensurate with those of private citizens, I am all for it. 

 

I disagree strongly. They are run by CHARTER. It is a grave mistake to imagine the public stock corporate engine is people - it is NOT. It is a legal mandate to make the highest possible return for shareholders with no regard to anything else. For example, and this happens all the time, a corproate "manager" (a person) might think it is best to reduce pollution for the benefit of his fellow man. BUT---shareholders could SUE if there was no legal requirement to do this pollution reduction, because the cost of doing so is an arbitrary reduction of shareholder profits, and thus an illegal act. This IS the central issue - corporations are legal robots, bound by law to sociopathic behavior that "real" people do not have or display usually in business. It is a "headless" and morally bereft legal person, and thus can never be bound to human well being, or even humane behavior. That's the legal monster we created beginning with this nightmare court case.

I'll agree with you that many "large businesses" are run by and thru people, but not the public stock corporation - that's a unique, and far more dangerous animal.  You even readily admit they have taken over the government. I mean, that what I am saying when I say ultimately, they will kill you.

mdeneen:

This IS the central issue - corporations are legal robots, bound by law to sociopathic behavior that "real" people do not have or display usually in business. It is a "headless" and morally bereft legal person, and thus can never be bound to human well being, or even humane behavior. That's the legal monster we created beginning with this nightmare court case.

Funny.  The same could be said of lawyers and their duties to their clients.

 Just an update:  I ordered one of these units from Costco, and I'm installing it right now...

Give updates on how this works.  I have been interested in this type of technology and don't know anyone that bought one to ask questions to about it.  Updates would be great, and how it is installed.

In my geographic area I queried a state worker cutting and poisening vines in our woods about water and polution and he said all of the polutants collect at about a 1" layer about 12 ft. down (they have a special name for it) and that they don't know how much longer the layer will hold up. This was about 30 years ago. He said the layer contained just about everything you could think off. The well water 250 ft. down however was still pristene.

JJK

Mr. RF62:

Give updates on how this works.  I have been interested in this type of technology and don't know anyone that bought one to ask questions to about it.  Updates would be great, and how it is installed.

The install went pretty well.  I had to get a new basin wrench to attach the spout (the old tool's spring was worn out), and had to get parts to add electrical receptacles under the sink, but that was only two trips to the hardware store, which is below average for most of my projects.  Of course, it's pretty crowded under the sink, but I got through it with a minimum of profanity.

The pump does make a bit of pulsating sound when running (lessened significantly with the addition of some well-placed bubble wrap between it and the cabinet wall).  A more perminent solution will be nice.

 

Water tastes great, no leaks! 

Thanks for the update Fini.  I was wondering what this thread was about.  Naturally....all of us Klipsch forum buds can count on mdeneen and Jeff Mathews to single (double??) handedly take a rather benign topic off into "the sky is falling" and "I'm not paranoid - I KNOW they're out to get me" territory.  Lordy.....can't Amy create a separate forum for them????

Anyhow.....glad you got to piddle with your RO thingy.  As for a permanent solution to the noise issue.....might I suggest a wrap or two of a gym sock??  LOL.....

Oh - and one last thing.  I did some research and found that the same folks that make that RO thing also make these products:

http://www.gnc.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2108499&cp=2167069

Tom

For managing water I find good scotch works better than a filter.

Now if you want a real filter ... 

I chose to go with two Big Blue sediment filters as the first step.

Then a Fleck 7000 carbon filter which is likely overkill. 

Next a Fleck 7000 water softener.

We bought our softener and carbon filter here.

There was an old Culligan system we gave away that had a leaking bypass valve and they didn't make parts for it any longer.

Those Fleck units are fantastic, supporting whole house flow rates (less pressure drop than many units).  I use two, one is just a carbon filter for all water, the second is a softener.  We're on a well in a downtown urban area.  Only problem is lack of chlorination for the carbon.  A few ways to solve that - backflush with chlorine (not bad), inject chlorine (I'm too cheap), toss a pool chlorine tab in the big blue once in a while (yipee, we have a winner!)

These things totally smoke most similar equipment for residential flow rates.  Both units are really the same, one has the resin bed for softening, the other carbon for filtering.  They only cost a bit more than a Sears job.  I think my entire system was about $1,600 compared to $3,000 from Culligan for just a softener (with a smaller throat).  After a lot of cussing and a few leaks it works fine.

 

You can be guaranteed that Culligan will cost double compared to most other places. Want safer water, put as UV light on the system, then don't worry about clorination.

Edited.

 

At the company I used to work at we had a conventional water sofening system for feeding water to a low pressure boiler. Used 2 to 3 pallets of 50 lb. bags of salt until we got a new technology softener then we only used 3 bags per year operating 24/7.

JJK

3 pallets - wow that thing must have regen'd hourly!

Agreed, but the cost/flow rates on UV were kinda pricey when I put it in.  Looks like a decent UV that flows ~12-14 gpm is about a grand now.  That could work.  Good idea - thanks