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Last post 06-13-2008 12:06 PM by Marvel. 18 replies.
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  • 05-12-2008 4:29 PM

    Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Hi,

    I own a pair of early model La Scala Industrial speakers that still sound wonderful but the cabinets have seen better days after many years of use on the road. I am now retiring them to  home theatre and stereo duty.

    I would like to try a modification to the speaker to smooth out the base response but thought I would pass the idea on for an opinion first.

    What I propose to do is remove the bottom plywood cover for the bass driver access and install a 15" passive radiator in its place.  In particular I would use the 15" SLAPS radiator from the EarthQuake SuperNova MKVI-15. The La Scala's would be raised off the floor on a base to give the radiator room to work.

    The other alternative would be to place the passive radiator in a subwoofer cabinet constructed to match the  width x depth of the La Scala. The bottom of the La Scala with the access cover removed would form the top of the subwoofer cabinet.  

    The first option maintains the original cabinet and volume for the 15" base driver.  The second option substanially increases the volume and alters the shape of the bass cabinet.

    Has anyone tried something similar? What were the results?

  • 05-12-2008 5:10 PM In reply to

    • Bill Cain
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    As long as you don't cut the original cabinet, I'd say give it a shot.

     You can always reverse the process.

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  • 05-12-2008 7:53 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    NorthofSixty:
    Has anyone tried something similar? What were the results?
    Yes... a ten inch highbox under the LS with two 4" dia., 7" long ports can get you close to flat response to 32Hz. Obviously, it is totally reversible since your LS sits on top of the box. If you don't like it you just remove it.

    Bruce 


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    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-12-2008 7:58 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    If you like it, but don't like your cabinets to be so tall, you can do the following:

    Enclose the back of the top section that houses the mid horn and tweeter. Open up the top of the doghouse, to give you about the same internal volume as the box underneath. A small amount of acoustic fill goes in either design. If you don't like the second mod after you've lived with it, you can seal back up the top of the doghouse and it still won't be visible from the outside.


    Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right.
    - Igor Stravinsky

    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-14-2008 4:04 AM In reply to

    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Thanks,

    Both great ideas. If the passive radiators do not produce good quality results I'll probably try the first concept to see how they perform. My enclosures are in pretty rough shape so if I like the results I would try building the second concept into new cabinets.  The advantage of the second concept is that it does not add any height or, more importantly, weight to the existing cabinets.  In fact it would reduce the weight slightly.

     

  • 05-16-2008 10:34 PM In reply to

    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    NorthofSixty:

    I would like to try a modification to the speaker to smooth out the base response but thought I would pass the idea on for an opinion first.

    The bass response of the La Scala is pretty smooth, now.  It does have a hump near 200 Hz.  You can reduce that by bracing the sides like this:

    http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/storage/3/1053246/mocksys1sm.jpg 

     

    NorthofSixty:

    What I propose to do is remove the bottom plywood cover for the bass driver access and install a 15" passive radiator in its place.  In particular I would use the 15" SLAPS radiator from the EarthQuake SuperNova MKVI-15. The La Scala's would be raised off the floor on a base to give the radiator room to work.

    The other alternative would be to place the passive radiator in a subwoofer cabinet constructed to match the  width x depth of the La Scala. The bottom of the La Scala with the access cover removed would form the top of the subwoofer cabinet.  

    The first option maintains the original cabinet and volume for the 15" base driver.  The second option substanially increases the volume and alters the shape of the bass cabinet.

    Has anyone tried something similar? What were the results?

     

    La Scalas do lack low bass.  The best use of the EarthQuake passive radiator would be to build an EarthQuake subwoofer and attach it to an arc welder for power. 

    Your idea won't damage anything, but it doesn't look likely to do any "smoothing".  The EarthQuake passive radiators are extraordinarily stiff.  It surprises me the subs can go so low.  But, the woofer, chamber volume and passive's stiffness all must be matched in order to get good low frequency response.  Since the back air chamber volume is relatively fixed, you need to find a passive and woofer that work with that volume.

    John Albright
    Chattanooga, TN
    Acurus, La Scala and Heresy based
    Audio/6.2 HT System w/Two
    VMPS Larger Subs
    Desmoquattro for pleasure
  • 05-17-2008 3:41 PM In reply to

    • Islander
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    It's your time and money, but it would be simpler to just add a sub.  Even a modified La Scala won't go that low, while a good-quality sub will reach down to 25Hz or lower.

    Pat on the Island
    510 JubScalas + Paradigm PW-2100, powered by Yamaha MX-D1 x 2,
    EQ'd by Electro-Voice Dx38, controlled by Yamaha RX-V750,
    fed by Technics SL-1400MK2 & Yamaha DVD-S550

    Surround: above plus 2 '90-'92 Heresy IIs + 1 '89 Heresy II
  • 05-17-2008 6:30 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Islander:

    It's your time and money, but it would be simpler to just add a sub.  Even a modified La Scala won't go that low, while a good-quality sub will reach down to 25Hz or lower.

    You can't add a sub for, pardon the pun, sub $50. So 30-32Hz so much higher than 25Hz. How long do you think it will take to build the boxes? A Saturday afternoon or a couple of evenings and you can try it. I would rush to try this if I weren't already happy with my LS the way they are. Still, this summer it's going to happen.
    Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right.
    - Igor Stravinsky

    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-17-2008 7:30 PM In reply to

    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Why not just build a K horn bottom box... You have the mids n highs for it..hehehehehe

    Sorry, just too easy here.. 

    Add the subs.. 

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KSW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. OK, It IS Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works too! Dim the lights, on with the show!!
  • 05-17-2008 7:39 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    IndyKlipschFan:
    Why not just build a K horn bottom box... You have the mids n highs for it..hehehehehe
    Cutting and assembling all those pieces can be a bit daunting, Roger.
    IndyKlipschFan:
    Add the subs..
    Let's see... cost, placement, just more stuff. I'm a pretty simple guy.

     

    Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right.
    - Igor Stravinsky

    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-17-2008 7:47 PM In reply to

    • Bill Cain
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Add me to the group that suggests adding a sub.

    K.I.S.S. usually is the best approach.

    ---- Bill Cain

    § Technics SL-1200’s
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    § dbx DriveRack’s
    § Crown Macrotech 600 / 1200 / 2400 / 3600vz
    § EAW FR253’s full range w/ 2405’s / SB180’s
    § Klipsch LSI-BG splits
    § Klipsch HI’s / KP-115SW’s
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  • 05-17-2008 7:53 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    I'm sorry, but K.I.S.S.  would not be adding more electronics and sepakers. The porting is much more simple.

    Once I get my mods done thhis summer, I will be more than happy to arrange to haul them up to Indy so they can be tested. I am sure that canbe worked out. Even without the e.q. put in between the pre and power amp, I think it is worth it.

    Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right.
    - Igor Stravinsky

    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-17-2008 9:56 PM In reply to

    • Islander
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Marvel:

    Once I get my mods done thhis summer, I will be more than happy to arrange to haul them up to Indy so they can be tested. I am sure that canbe worked out. Even without the e.q. put in between the pre and power amp, I think it is worth it.



    Good idea!  After all, the proof is in the listening.

    Pat on the Island
    510 JubScalas + Paradigm PW-2100, powered by Yamaha MX-D1 x 2,
    EQ'd by Electro-Voice Dx38, controlled by Yamaha RX-V750,
    fed by Technics SL-1400MK2 & Yamaha DVD-S550

    Surround: above plus 2 '90-'92 Heresy IIs + 1 '89 Heresy II
  • 05-17-2008 10:23 PM In reply to

    • Marvel
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Islander:

    Marvel:

    Once I get my mods done thhis summer, I will be more than happy to arrange to haul them up to Indy so they can be tested. I am sure that can be worked out. Even without the e.q. put in between the pre and power amp, I think it is worth it.



    Good idea!  After all, the proof is in the listening.

    I'm not trying to give everyone a hard time about this, but I've only heard of ONE person who didn't like this mod.
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    '86 LaScalas (LS-BLS w/s) w/BEC tweeters and DHA2 crossovers, '89 Heresy IIs, '72 JBL 4311s, JMA Merlin Pre, Blueberry Xtreme Pre, Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondogs, Former Dynaco ST-70, H/K 430 x 2
  • 05-18-2008 11:19 AM In reply to

    • sailorcrew
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    Re: Klipsch La Scala modifications

    Hi Marvel,

    A couple of questions, if you don't mind, regarding the bass bin addition. Is 9" of internal height the goal? Using 3/4" plywood that would leave the outside 10 1/2" tall, is that ok? From all the threads I've read regarding this, it doesn't seem that any crossover mods are necesary. Is that true? Is adding material (batting) critical and if so, how much, what kind? For the record, I have an older pair of LS courtesy of John Foley and I have updated the tweeters and crossover from Bob, type A. Thanks, David.

    Heresy II's and now La Scala's
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