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  • 02-21-2002 5:34 PM In reply to

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    Bose is Great!
  • 02-21-2002 5:38 PM In reply to

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    mike s, now is that great as in not great as in bad as in not good...

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  • 02-21-2002 6:31 PM In reply to

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    No way man, Bose are the greatest speakers I have ever heard!

    I'm gonna pawn my Chorus II's and my SVS's to get some!


    NOT!!!!!!!!!!

  • 02-21-2002 6:50 PM In reply to

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    mike, welcome back klipsch soul brother. i get those bad delusional flashbacks from time to time also.

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  • 02-21-2002 7:08 PM In reply to

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    Music is Bose's second language. (my line)

    "Better sound through sales." (not mine line)


    Bose is the Ford Fiesta of audio.
    (don't dis Japanese cars, EVER!!!)

    BOSE

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  • 02-21-2002 8:24 PM In reply to

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    You mean I can't dis my free peice of Sh*t '80 Toyota pickup?
    Or my '85 Celica GTS coupe?
    Or my '78 Celica GT?
    Ah man, your no fun!

    I think Bose would be better compared to a AMC Gremlin,
    or a Pinto.

    This message has been edited by mike stehr on 02-21-2002 at 08:29 PM

  • 02-21-2002 8:41 PM In reply to

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    yeah like the pinto. you hit them and the explode!

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  • 02-22-2002 12:36 PM In reply to

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    Better

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    Egotists

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  • 02-22-2002 5:58 PM In reply to

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    Comments on the Bose "TRUTH" paper:

    By my count, there are seven incorrect uses of the word "it's" in this paper. "It's" is either a contraction of "it is" or "it has" and is not the possessive form of the pronoun "it".

    Under "THE COLD HARD NUMBERS (PART TWO):", we read, "...total continuous wattage of root-means(sic)-squared power...". Despite the writer's best intention, this is a meaningless term. There is no such quantity as "rms power". You won't find it in any electrical engineering or physics textbook or in the National Electrical Code.

    Unfortunately, you will find "rms power" used by many power amplifier manufacturers to rate their product's output power. The correct (and only) term to use is continuous average sinewave power.

    "But I'm using a true rms voltmeter and ammeter and rms voltage times rms current (in amperes) equals rms power" you might say. Close, but no cigar. The product of rms voltage and rms amperes is average power expressed in watts. What we want to measure is the equivalent DC heating effect of the AC power from the power amp and that is expressed as average power.

    The writer also states, "...the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) created a regulation standard recently in which all devices have to be rated...". This "recent" standard is known by the FTC as The Amplifier Rule and was promulgated on May 3,1974(39FR 15387). There probably have been more recent regulations issued covering powered loudspeakers and automotive electronics, but those covering consumer electronics power amplifier rating disclosures are almost 28 years old.

    Under "Bose and the patent system", the writer states, "...their patents are so unoriginal that they've never even TRIED to sue someone for infringing upon them." With just a little basic web searching, I found that Bose successfully sued JBL for infringing on their patent #5,714,721.

    Amar Bose's acoustical research at MIT showed that only about 11% of the sound arriving at the listener's ears in a concert hall was direct sound and the remainder was reverberant energy in the form of delayed reflections from the room's surfaces. The Bose 901 (remember that twenty-foot wide piano sound?) was his (IMHO) misguided attempt to re-create the acoustical properties of a concert hall in one's living room.

    Having owned Klipschorns for 25 years, I'm no fan of Bose products. I'm in agreement with most of the writer's objective and some of his subjective arguments. However, if one is going to invest the time and energy to write nine pages of the "TRUTH", you'd best be advised to have both your grammar usage correct and your facts straight. Otherwise, your arguments, no matter how valid, will lack over-all credibility.

  • 02-22-2002 9:14 PM In reply to

    • HornEd
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    Re: Bose?

    Wasn't Major "Bose" the host of the Original Amateur Hour... before Ted Mack...

    Okay, so it was "Bowes" but the thought seemed to fit even if the spelling didn't. Yep, I am really that old! HornEd

    PS: Arkytype, your "Bose Expose" was most welcome and started me down memory lane and the amateur world of loudspeaker belief. Glad you spoke up and made lace of that less-than-learned roll of paper! H.E.

    This message has been edited by HornEd on 02-22-2002 at 09:19 PM

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  • 02-23-2002 2:25 AM In reply to

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    H.E., please report to the name your favorite guitarist
    thread. i'm really curious to know your favs. & no tiny tim doesn't count (j/k)

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  • 02-24-2002 12:05 AM In reply to

    • TheEAR
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    Re: Bose?

    Good to see some fun on B0$e's back.To me B0$e is...

    Better sales thru brainwash

    Their claim to fame? AcousticMe$$


    In auido hell there is one brand on sale...B0$e,and all damned are forced to listen to AcousticMe$$ systems an hour/day!

    Most polled say they prefer to have spikes driven thru them instead! Go figure


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  • 02-24-2002 1:57 AM In reply to

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    LOCATION: Fry's Electronics, San Jose, California

    TIME: Afternoon, June 2000

    MISSION: To listen to Bose speakers for myself

    SUMMARY: Located one parking space, parked my car, and entered the store. I made a bee line for the mens room, and then the audio area at the back of the store. Upon arrival at the audio listening area, I found the following speakers. Bose 701 and 901's, Pinnacle series, and JBL series (both hi-end). Source components were a $1000 Denon receiver and a Denon 5-DVD/CD changer. I was, by myself, able to listen to all of the speakers by myself without interuption (this room is BURIED!)

    I can't keep up this FBI report up much longer, so I will be myself. I had rock, classical, and electronic music. The JBL HLS series was precise and sharp. The Pinnacle's were smooth and very "musical" The Bose were rather muddy and muffled. They were almost LAZY about the sound. What really killed them was rim shots and other "precise" sounds. They also had NO BASS, especially the 901's, as they have 9, 4.5" drivers.

    Overall, the Bose would be fine if you only listened to talk radio. They were too expensive to justify the preformance and, well, they sounded like a good speaker with a blanket thrown over it. Compared to an equally priced Pinnacle tower and the JBL HLS series, they sucked.

    I must say that I was a week away from buying a pair of Bose 301's for $318 at Circuit City. However, I heard the JBL HLS 610's and bought them for $150. I would have never gotten hooked on horns if it wasn't for them. I will also say that I was comparing the JBL's to the Klipsch Synergy bookshelf speaker with the 6.5" woofer and choose the JBL's because they sounded better. The Reference Series beats my JBL's big time, so I guess there is no comparison between the Synergy and Reference Series. IMHO.

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  • 02-24-2002 2:00 AM In reply to

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    i was at The Home Theater Store today buying a new HDTV... i ventured into the BOSE room to look at a TV i was looking at. I was scared! The sound was pure and blissful... then i saw the BW's in the corners whew, thought BOSE might actually have something going haha

    (also wanted to get some 8 lb wall mount speaker stands... cheapest ones were $139... yeah, looking at the WB-1's some more )

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  • 02-24-2002 2:16 AM In reply to

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    I HATE having to buy "accesories" for my system. I was annoyed when I bought a pair of speaker stands for $30 a pair! Don't know why, but it's like buying a cheap computer so you can buy a thousand dollar desk and chair.
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