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Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

Last post 07-20-2008 11:54 PM by Daddy Dee. 8 replies.
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  • 07-16-2008 7:05 PM

    Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    Hey guys im pretty new at this so please be patient.

    I was j/w if it would be possible to buy a set of cornwall II's and upgrade all the drivers and crossovers. 

    If a person where to do this, would it make them sound more like the cornwall III's?  If it is posslble to do this, where

    would you go to find the parts?

  • 07-16-2008 8:10 PM In reply to

    • Budman
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    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    jj welcome to the forum. if you want to buy cornwall 3 parts you would buy them directly from klipsch. personally i would just buy a brand new set of 3's and be done with it.



    Russ
  • 07-17-2008 4:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    I beleive the woofer is located in a different place on a Cornwall III .................

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  • 07-17-2008 9:18 AM In reply to

    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

     and the mid horn is a (Heresy) K-700/K-701...speakerfritz may be able to help...

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  • 07-20-2008 1:19 PM In reply to

    • boom3
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    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    Why? If you have CW IIs with the K79 and K52/K601 horns, I would leave them alone. If you have a CW II with the K77 tweeter, swap it out for a Crites CT125. Refresh (or rebuild) the crossovers. Then decide if you want CW IIIs.

    When the CW IIIs came out, the forum went through a great deal of gnashing of bytes over the fact that CW III uses the same mid has the new Heresy.  Some us still believe that was a sub-optimum choice. I have been told that the shift in woofer location in the III is all for the good. The stocks Corns (original through the last of the II models) all have a degree of 60-80 Hz hump. I keep mine pulled out of the corners, and with a sub, my Corns are rolled off below 60 Hz anyway. The new woofer location on the CW III has ironed out that hump.

    If you hang around this forum you'll quickly discover that few of us think new = upgrade. Many of us have rebuilt or refreshed vintage gear since we think it often offers a superior value versus what is curently available. Klipsch, to their credit, refreshed the Heritage line. Even if we don't agree with every nuance, we still appreciate the new Heritages, and recommend them to all we meet.  

     

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  • 07-20-2008 2:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

     boom3...I would be very interested as to what you dislike specifically on the III or like better on the II...mid horn notwithstanding...can you break it down soundwise for us???...I picked up a pair of speakerfritz Cornwalls made in a fashion similar to the III (new crossover, like the III, Heresy mid horn and higher in the cabinet Woofer)...I am guessing this might help the OP too...

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  • 07-20-2008 6:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    juicyjj:

    Hey guys im pretty new at this so please be patient.

    I was j/w if it would be possible to buy a set of cornwall II's and upgrade all the drivers and crossovers. 

    If a person where to do this, would it make them sound more like the cornwall III's?  If it is posslble to do this, where

    would you go to find the parts?

     

     

    The Cornwall is the ONLY model in the Heritage series without a current Factory Authorized upgrade path. The change in woofer location, mid horn size, mid horn driver, tweeter and network make in inadvisable to attempt to construct a Cornwall III from any previous model.  

    Changing only parts of a CW II to CWIII will change the voicing of the speaker, most probably not for the better unless you have a test facility and equipment sufficient to measure your results.  

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  • 07-20-2008 6:47 PM In reply to

    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    Upgrade the Crossovers and add CT-125's to the 2's ........................ CW1's would be better, but CW2's will work !!!!!! I would like to do a side by side with my 1.5's and a pair of 3's ..........

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  • 07-20-2008 11:54 PM In reply to

    Re: Upgrading cornwall II's to sould more like cornwal III's?

    JuicyJJ,

    Welcome to the forum.

    Cornwall is an excellent speaker and your instincts are good in thinking about updating the CW.

    As mentioned in posts above, the configuration of the CWIII does not allow for upgrading an older CW to CWIII.

    Sounds like you are still in the acquisition phase. My suggestion would be to acquire a pair of original CW's. I think these updates would work better than with a CWII. .

    There are a couple of reasonably priced updates you can do which will leave you with a killer speaker that I'd put up against a CWIII any day.

    The CT-125 tweeter is a drop in replacement for the K-77, which is in the original CW. Bob Crites sells these tweeters and they sound very good. IMO a huge improvement over the venerable K-77. (Bob is BEC on this forum)

    The age of the crossovers is an issue, but they can be restored, essentially to factory spec, with fresh capacitors. Bob Crites is a good source for parts or turn key rebuild if desired.

    If you want to go beyond that, it is a small crossover mod to cross the tweeter/mid at 4500hz which will smooth out the upper mids nicely.

    One more thought on the cool factor of the original CW's. These use the K-77 tweeter and K-55 mid which are retained now only in the higher in LaScala and Khorns. The original Heresy and CW's use these drivers, but they are too pricey now for Klipsch to use them in the current manufacture Heresy and CW.

    Food for thought.

     

     

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