DeanG:

Ever notice how stuff that sounds good on other speakers sounds like crap with horns. Of course it never has to do with the horns -- it's all that "harsh" equipment!

Yep! crappie horns, crappie equipment, crappie recordings(monitered on crappie loudspeakers/equipment, crappie studio acoustics, tailored sound to play back on crappie equipment in crappie enviroments and just plain crappie taste).

Plenty of crap to go around!

mike tn

Touche' :)

Brandon:

My questions are...Can these work in an HT setup and if so, what would complement them for rears or CCs? these speakers look huge!

See my profile.  I'm running a 5.0, although I've got a couple of homemade subs on the way.  This configuration is really nice for 2-channel, movies, and multi-channel DVD-As and SACDs.

Brandon:

...Oh, I did want to ask for somewhat of a comparison of the Khorns and LaScalas against the Jubilee?  Seems the Jubilee is a newer and more refined version of them?

I have a pair of Khorn clones (good ones) and the Jubs just blow them away.  I find myself spending probably too much time in front of the Jubs, and I've have them since Christmas 2007.

I would first think about JubScalas if cost is a strong factor (it usually is), and keep your sub(s). I would also highly recommend an ElectroVoice Dx38 active crossover + Crown D-45s or -75s over Crown XTi's.

Chris

Since you say that there really isn't a correct set of plans for the Jubilee, what does Klipsch sell the bass horn for?

It might be time to try a pair. I'm very happy with the tops that I use on my 3 pairs of Klipschorns. The Altec 290-16K drivers mated to the Altec 311-90 horns and the JBL 2404H tweeter. I would first try them with the Jubille. It's a waste to have 6 Klipschorn tops and networks taking up space in the closet. I could put the 3 pairs of Klipschorns back together and sell them.

I could buy a single Jubilee and take it apart and do a little reverse engineering, then build 6 of them. Or, maybe Klipsch will cut me a deal if I buy 6 of them.

Q-Man:

Since you say that there really isn't a correct set of plans for the Jubilee, what does Klipsch sell the bass horn for?

I don't know how much they are since I bought a full pair, but I'd put it in the $2.5K/bin range.  When you consider the amount of work that goes into these relative to some other mfger's subwoofers that I've seen at this price point, you'll see that this is a pretty good deal.  You could use your Khorn lf bins with K402/K69A tops and an active or passive crossovers--several people have built their own passives here - DeanG and rigma come to mind presently, but there are others. 

The reason why I make the above points is that I believe the real difference is the hf Jub section over the Khorns, but that's just my opinion...the Jub bass bin is also better (IMHO) than the Khorn, but I would think that the difference is not as noticeable relative to the hf horn/driver.

Chris A.

Thankyou for your information, but I'm not interested in the tops.

My tops could be close too, equal,  or better then the tops the Jubilee uses. I'm only interested in the bass horn for now.

I just did a search for the Jubilee. It said that I have selected a discontinued product.

See http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/kpt-jubilee-535-overview/ for the 3-way commercial version.  Only one person that I'm aware of used the 3-way version at home.  Everyone else goes through Roy Delgado (bodcaw boy) to acquire the home version.  

You might be pleasantly (or depending on the magnitude of your current investment in Altec products, unpleasantly) surprised about the K402 - but clearly I'm not the guy that's going to convince you to listen to a pair of Jubs.

Enjoy - looks like you're doing fairly well there in your HT as is...

Chris

Q-man...  if I recall, you build furniture or maybe cabinets?  If I recall correctly, you above most others, probably have the best tools and raw skillset to build one of these in your sleep, should you choose to do so.

I know that Rigma built a pair and when he was done his attitude was essentially "if I knew going in, what I know now...  I would have just bought a pair and been done with it" 

I'm not familar with the horns you have (never heard kinda thing) but part of the strength of the Jubilee in my opinion is the top horn and the dispersion it provides.  If you are happy with your setup then I'd say give it a whirl.  If you want to play later, you can always buy more stuff (top horns).

If you want to hear a pair, the closest pair to you is 6foot8 (Eric).  I don't remember where he lives but I think he's in the Orlando area?  After that you are in Texas or TN as best I remember.

Eric is the guy who has the Cinema 3-way setup so even if you DID hear his you would not be hearing what we're using because we've all had the horns reconfigured and in the 2-way format are using the 3-way tweeter driver (K69) on our top horn after having dropped the midrange driver (K1132) and tweeter horn.  (got it?!!)

You have a unique setup as well with the center channel configuration you did.  I'd expect if you ever did look into some Klipsch top horns you'd almost be forced to use the smaller K510 because of how huge the K402 is and my (bad) memory of how you fit your center Khorn within its own little cubbyhole.  I'm trying to look at your avatar to get a good refresh of my memory.

Regardless....  you certainly have the skillset to build one of these and could probably knock them out during a 15 minute lunch break as contrasted with the months it would take a goob like me to do!

I'd suggest you give them a listen.  I know this ain't too likely BUT...  if you ever find yourself in Knoxville area, and happen to have your top horns with you (hahahaha) you are more than welcome to swing by and we'll simply set them up and you can give it a go!

 

 

Roy has worked to make the build on the Jubilee bass bin easier for the shop guys and more solid over the past couple of years.That means a new one wouldn't be built quite the same as the first ones. 

I would say they are a steal at the price they will sell them.

Bruce

mikebse2a3:

Yep! crappie horns, crappie equipment, crappie recordings(monitered on crappie loudspeakers/equipment, crappie studio acoustics, tailored sound to play back on crappie equipment in crappie enviroments and just plain crappie taste).

Plenty of crap to go around!

Everything is 50% crap, except of course for crap, which is 100% crap...

Q-Man:

what does Klipsch sell the bass horn for?

Jubilee bass bins with drivers but no crossovers are around $4600 a pair, and that may include delivery.

Coytee, 

I have a small cabinet shop/ showroom. I do kitchens, bathrooms, and such for local home builders. Then I also remodel kitchens. Times arn't good, but remodels are taking off again.

You may recall that I spent about two years trying different midrange drivers and horns to use with my Klipschorns. Thank God for ebay, you buy them, you try them, and sell them for the same price that you payed for them. It's great for trying out a lot of different equipment. Once I found the right combination for my taste, I shipped them all to John Warren to design the network for them. I couldn't have done this without him. I loved the sound improvement with my make shift networks. As soon as I received his networks I did an A/B comparison with what I was listening with. Another veil was lifted.  My tops make the stock Klipschorns sound like you stuffed pillows in the horns. We don't need to go there.  They are worth trying first. Then it would be nice to compare them to the K402.

No K510 for me. I learned long ago that I like my theater area to use identical speakers all around.

I'm buying, or the bank is, a larger building. I will have more shop room, so I'm thinking of building bass horns again. I want to experiment again, and settle on one to use in my new theater room. I built the Jensen Imperial, and I going to consider that one too, the bass is a lot more powerfull then the Kipschorns. I built the Universisy Classic, or Dean. That one makes be drool. The  mid bass is so clean and punchy, but it also has a hollow sound that I'm not sure is right. Reading about you guys and the Jubilee is making me want to throw that one in the mix. Then I will set up all four bass horns with my tops and A/B them. The winner will go into the theater. It's great to go somewhere to listen to a speaker, but you really need to have them in the same room. A plus with this new building is that I'll also have a 24' by 55' room to put a theater/kitchen in. I may move in there. If I do, the center channel speaker will go behind a screen. 

I havn't been on the Forum for some time. That is because I stopped experimenting and didn't have much to share. I became very satisfied with the sound of my system, and I ran out of room to play.

Thanks for the invite.

 

Hey Q-Man

If you got the itch I say try the Jub. It should make an awesome foundation for your HF horns.

I own the Jubs with the K402/TAD TD4002 driver and the synergy of this combination's detail and presentation still makes me stop and go Wow!.....when listening to my music and listening sessions that start out to last an hour or so can turn into several before I have to stop. Sometimes I'll even be in the next room to the system and the detail, realism and sense of real live music in the next room will get my attention unexpectedly and I'll have to go back in and listen for awhile.

mike tn

Marvel:

Roy has worked to make the build on the Jubilee bass bin easier for the shop guys and more solid over the past couple of years.That means a new one wouldn't be built quite the same as the first ones. 

I would say they are a steal at the price they will sell them.

Bruce

Are you talking about the Cinema commercial version, or the home version that klipsch decided not to offer?

It looks like Roy helped out those of you with the Jub. Is that right?

Those who built the Jub., where did the plans come from?

Those who bought the Jub. Have the commercial version?

I'll have to email Klipsch or Roy with some questions.

I emailed some of the commercial dealers last week, but havn't heard back from any of them.

Q-Man:

It looks like Roy helped out those of you with the Jub. Is that right?

Anyone that has any serious questions or intent to buy, really needs to contact Roy directly.  To answer your question, yes, we all went through Roy and he guided us through the required steps.

Q-Man:

Those who built the Jub., where did the plans come from?

  I think from the AES paper?  I'm not sure that it gives 100% factually accurate measurements though.  I remember a long time ago, there was some back/forth as to "did they do such & such" and if they did, they did it because of such & such...BUT...if they didn't, they they didn't because of such & such....  I barely remember that thread and don't recall the specifics of it, just that there were those who said Klipsch HAD to have done a certain thing and others who said it didn't look like they did.  So, I don't know if it really is less filling or tastes great!

Q-Man:

Those who bought the Jub. Have the commercial version?

There are now two people who have the commercial version of the Jubilee HOWEVER, they paid some extra and instead of a black painted panel in front, KIipsch installed a Walnut type front.  Looks much prettier but you still have the sides open.  (see Kudrets thread on making grill covers)

Q-Man:

I'll have to email Klipsch or Roy with some questions.

Anyone that has any serious questions or intent to buy, really needs to contact Roy directly.  To answer your question, yes, we all went through Roy and he guided us through the required steps.

Q-Man:

I emailed some of the commercial dealers last week, but havn't heard back from any of them.

Anyone that has any serious questions or intent to buy, really needs to contact Roy directly.  To answer your question, yes, we all went through Roy and he guided us through the required steps. 

(hearing a theme?)  

I would not (I hate to use this word) "bother" calling the commercial guys.  First off, you are probably not going to be looking at the 3-way version and that is the only thing they're really going to be familar with.  Also, Roy has us dealing with a specific vendor of theirs and this commercial vendor is simply adding our orders to their pre-existing orders.  It's more of an add on than something unique which you might experience with your local commercial dealer.  Let me put it this way...  when I first got my pair, I called my local dealer to see what he was quoting.  Frankly, he quoted me more than TWICE what I actually paid.  I do think he was trying to take a bit of advantage of me but then again...that might have been his going price, I don't know.  All I do know is I was drop jawed.

So...  if you have any questions, please direct them only to Roy.   you are looking at special order changes and the road has already been paved and is now lined with people who know the program rather than trying to train someone new.

Unrelated point...  One pair of Jubilees were bought as this 2-way format however, when they arrived, the tweeter to midrange horn swap had not been done.  The order did NOT go through Roy and to be blunt, the order got screwed up in the process. 

Email Roy