willland:

The objective of HT is channel seperation, effects, and impact.  The objective of music is instrument seperation, soundstage, imaging.  A BOSE Lifestyle system can give pretty darn good HT quality(in tiny spaces) but for music, well........you know.

Bill

 

willland:

The objective of HT is channel seperation, effects, and impact.  The objective of music is instrument seperation, soundstage, imaging.  A BOSE Lifestyle system can give pretty darn good HT quality(in tiny spaces) but for music, well........you know.

Bill

 

Youthman:

I agree...dejavu?

A little plagiarism.

Bill

 I use both onkyo and emotiva products in my set up, so I have a few thoughts to add.

First while I have an older 886, I'm sure the newer unit is simply more of a good thing, but the unit is not without it's issues. The biggest issue with my 886 is any analog input sounds like pure garbage, hollow, dead sounding, and thin. This is not to say the unit does not sound good, on a pure digital chain it sounds amazing, and I am a firm believer in audessey. However I love vinyl, so I was left in the cold when I sold off my 2 channel gear, that's where emotiva came to the rescue, I picked up a USP-1 with HT bypass, and a tube phono stage, now I can enjoy all of the benefits of the onkyo when in the digital realm, and not hate to play my records. I cannot comment on emotiva's HT pre-pro or it's replacement as I haven't heard either of them, but I can say for digital music the onkyo was a game changer in my system, and I am very happy with it. I am also using emotiva amps.

Fish:

psg:

(One HDMI output?  What are they thinking! I guess the monoprice splitter will be still required when you drop a screen in front of a TV.)

Do videophiles really drop a screen in front of their TV? I didn't know a drop screen could meet that spec.

Really OT, but if you meant a drop screen not being of decent enough quality for a videophile (which is a bit condescending), my screen manufacturer puts the same screen material on fixed screen as they do on tab-tensioned electric drop screens.

willland:

dtel:

One thing I don't get is how something can sound good for HT but not so good on music ?

The objective of HT is channel separation, effects, and impact.  The objective of music is instrument separation, soundstage, imaging.  A BOSE Lifestyle system can give pretty darn good HT quality(in tiny spaces) but for music, well........you know.

Bill

Thanks, that makes a little more sense, I could somewhat get when someone says "more musical" when describing things but never understood the differences for Ht.

What you describe is similar in what you want from 2 Ch also.

 I guess the big difference is for HT it can more easily sound different because your also dealing with how it sounds from 5 or more speakers which adds more problems than dealing with just 2 speakers as far as having it all integrate as one seamless sound.

psg:

Fish:

psg:

(One HDMI output?  What are they thinking! I guess the monoprice splitter will be still required when you drop a screen in front of a TV.)

Do videophiles really drop a screen in front of their TV? I didn't know a drop screen could meet that spec.

 

Really OT, but if you meant a drop screen not being of decent enough quality for a videophile (which is a bit condescending), my screen manufacturer puts the same screen material on fixed screen as they do on tab-tensioned electric drop screens.

 

Mrtie:

 I use both onkyo and emotiva products in my set up, so I have a few thoughts to add.

First while I have an older 886, I'm sure the newer unit is simply more of a good thing, but the unit is not without it's issues. The biggest issue with my 886 is any analog input sounds like pure garbage, hollow, dead sounding, and thin. This is not to say the unit does not sound good, on a pure digital chain it sounds amazing, and I am a firm believer in audessey. However I love vinyl, so I was left in the cold when I sold off my 2 channel gear, that's where emotiva came to the rescue, I picked up a USP-1 with HT bypass, and a tube phono stage, now I can enjoy all of the benefits of the onkyo when in the digital realm, and not hate to play my records. I cannot comment on emotiva's HT pre-pro or it's replacement as I haven't heard either of them, but I can say for digital music the onkyo was a game changer in my system, and I am very happy with it. I am also using emotiva amps.

Fish:

psg:

Fish:

psg:

(One HDMI output?  What are they thinking! I guess the monoprice splitter will be still required when you drop a screen in front of a TV.)

Do videophiles really drop a screen in front of their TV? I didn't know a drop screen could meet that spec.

 

Really OT, but if you meant a drop screen not being of decent enough quality for a videophile (which is a bit condescending), my screen manufacturer puts the same screen material on fixed screen as they do on tab-tensioned electric drop screens.

 

I noted I don't know much about drop downs, you omitted that.I actually thought about that exact same thing, dropping in front of my TV.On the forums I was reading it was agreed that a fixed screen would offer overall better picture that did not move from fans etc....I don't know if that's true or not but those guys talked as if they were well informed(videophiles).I'm not making any call on it, I don't know. Back to the program.

Yeah, a drop screen will likely move if you have a fan in the room.  Otherwise I would expect the same image quality if the material is the same.  A fixed screen is less susceptible of developing waves over time, but a tensioned drop screen isn't bad in that department either.

 Correct the basic idea with a USP-1 or any preamp with an HT-Bypass is this, the unit sits between your AV pre/pro and your amps, when you wish to use the AV unit it is in effect simply a peice of wire, but you hook up say any analog gear you have to the USP-1 and use it when you wish to listen to analog 2.1 channel music. This at least for my needs proved infinately better then the analog inputs on the onkyo, and I think I picked one up for like $275 used so money very well spent imho.