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  • 04-21-2007 12:19 PM

    Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    Hey everyone,

    Yes, another new member asking for advice.  I am in the process of upgrading my current system and have decided that Klipsch is my speaker of choice.  I have recently purchased the following:

     Receiver:  Pioneer VSX 1016 TXV 

    Sub:  KSW 10

    Center:  Athena C1.1

    DVD:  Denon 1814 Upconverting

    Between the cost of purchasing the above equipment, all the HDMI cables and the Monster Speaker cable, the wife tells me that if I spend any more money on this system she will not be a happy camper. 

    None-the-less, I have decided that I need to complete the project to ensure that I am getting the best sound I can get.  I am sure my crappy pioneers are not doing the system justice. 

     I have 2 older Pionner floorstanding SH452FK's that I am using for fronts and 2 SH452FK's that I am using for surrounds.  My goal is to convert all the speakers to Klipsch.   I have been combing the web (e-bay, and various other websites offering Klipsch speakers and I am  really confused as to what I should buy.  While I would love the RF-7's, $1000.00 is kinda out of my price range right now.  I would like to focus on the two fronts first, followed by replacing the Athena center and then the surrounds.  Can someone suggest a speaker set-up that would fill my 20' X 15' room and blend well with my system?  Ohh yeah, and did I mention keep me out of divorce court? 

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

     

     

    Panasonic Viesa - 50" Plasma
    Pioneer VSX-1016
    RF-7 - Front
    RC-7 - Center
    RB - 75 - Surround
    RC - 35 - Rear Center
    Sub 12 - Subwoofer

    RF-3II - (For Sale)
    RC-3II - (For Sale)
    Synergy S-2 (For Sale)
  • 04-21-2007 8:17 PM In reply to

    • tenzip
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    • Lincoln, NE
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    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    My thoughts, (which may be seriously flawed, as I'm a Heritage guy), would lean toward getting whatever bookshelf speakers will match your (future) mains of choice, and use them for the mains until funds allow the purchase of the floorstanders.  Then move the bookshelf pair to surround duty.

    This might not work for you, depending on your room, etc.  Just my penny's worth.

    If you do go that way, just make sure that SWMBO is aware of the space requirements of the floorstanders.  I'd suggest getting or making some speaker stands that have the same footprint as the future floorstanders, so that you can keep the space clear of other stuff.  Gotta stay ahead of the curve on this kind of thing, 'cause if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

    Oh, and welcome to the insanity, sorry about your wallet.
     

  • 04-22-2007 8:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    What kinda budget are you working with?  We need to know how much you have to spend on your new speakers before we can really make a recommendation. 
    5.2 System:
    Hitachi 52" HDTV (Non HDMI)
    Pioneer VSX-2016AVs (surrounds & subs)
    ROTEL RB-956AX (left, center, right)
    Sony BDP-S350 Blu Ray player
    Monster Power HTS1600MKII powercenter
    F2 mains
    C2 center
    S1 surrounds
    RW 10
    Sub 12
    Logitech Harmony 550 remote

    It's sort of like Synergy on steroids!!!
  • 04-22-2007 8:36 AM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    room size, listening habits music/movies, and budget really helps.

    Welcome to the Madness!

    Michael 

    "She was your biggest fan, and you threw her away" - Almost Famous
  • 04-22-2007 9:16 AM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    Thanks for the responses.  The room size is 15' X 20' with an open floor plan with an adjacent kitchen of 12' X 15' and cathedral ceilings.  This is a pretty open area.  My initial thoughts on budget are between $1200 - $1500 for the entire speaker set.  (2 fronts - front center- rear center and surrounds) remember, the sub is done.  Since I plan to sement this purchase, I will probably spend more than I anticipate if the jump in quality is worth the additional investment.  Since you asked about my listening preferences, I would have to say that it is 85% movies (action/drama) and 15 % music.  (Boy, how that has changed over the years.  In my younger days those numbers were reversed.  That being said, I am really wondering if the RF-7s would be necessary?  I welcome your thoughts.

    Thanks again for your responses.  This sure does beat firing 20 questions at the sales reps.

     

     

    Panasonic Viesa - 50" Plasma
    Pioneer VSX-1016
    RF-7 - Front
    RC-7 - Center
    RB - 75 - Surround
    RC - 35 - Rear Center
    Sub 12 - Subwoofer

    RF-3II - (For Sale)
    RC-3II - (For Sale)
    Synergy S-2 (For Sale)
  • 04-22-2007 10:57 AM In reply to

    • jamesV
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    • North West IN
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    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    How is this going to be set-up in the 15x20 room? are the speakers going to be on the 15 or 20 foot wall, or at an angle?

    Remember, this is going to be an investment.  I would say to get the mains now and piece together the rest when the funds will allow.  You can sometimes find the 7 series on AudioGon and the Bay.

    James

    also, welcome indeed to the madness.

    one last thing, were are you located?  Some people around you might offer some listening offers to help you decide what speakers you want.

    Got stopped at the mall the other day
    Heard a call from the other way
    that I just came from, some ni**a was sayin somethin
    talkin bout "Hey man, you remember me from school?" smoke some
    Naw not really but he kept smilin like a clown
    facial expression lookin silly
    And he kept askin me, what kind of car you drive, I know you paid
    I know y'all got buku of h**s from all them songs that y'all done made
    And I replied that I had been goin through tha same thing that he had
    True I got more fans than the average man but not enough loot to last me
    to the end of the week, I live by the beat like you live check to check
    If you don't move yo' feet then I don't eat, so we like neck to neck
    Yes we done come a long way like them Slim a** cigarettes
    from Virginia, this ain't gon stop so we just gonna continue
  • 04-22-2007 12:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    I am located in Jacksonville Florida.  The front speakers will reside on the 15' wall and project across the 20' span.  At this point, I am considering the F-2's  with a C2 center and the S2 surrounds.

     

     

    Panasonic Viesa - 50" Plasma
    Pioneer VSX-1016
    RF-7 - Front
    RC-7 - Center
    RB - 75 - Surround
    RC - 35 - Rear Center
    Sub 12 - Subwoofer

    RF-3II - (For Sale)
    RC-3II - (For Sale)
    Synergy S-2 (For Sale)
  • 04-24-2007 12:51 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    My best advice is to stay within the same class.. Synergy or Reference... or Heritage. You will be more happier this way, because the tone quality of the speakers will be more matched and smoother.  And you can always slightly upgrade in the center and sub if you wanna give a little more oomph..
    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 04-24-2007 4:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    That was my thought.  Matching the system.  I figured that the Synergy series C-2, F-2, S2 was in my price range.  I took the proverbial trip to Best Buy to hear the speakers.  While I was impressed by the C-2, the F3's sounded far better than the F-2's.  A friend who is a beloved Klipsch owner, suggested that I hear the RB-81's.  He says the 8" woofer makes a tremendous difference.  I had also heard that the Reference series is far superor to  Synergy.  While I am trying to be budget concious, I do not want to be upgrading again in the next year.  The problem is, BB does not carry the Reference series, so I had no "point of reference" (Pardon the Pun).

    I trust the word of all the Klipsch experts out there and probably will base my decision on feedback received from this Board.  I will take all the advise I can get. 

     

    Thanks,

    Panasonic Viesa - 50" Plasma
    Pioneer VSX-1016
    RF-7 - Front
    RC-7 - Center
    RB - 75 - Surround
    RC - 35 - Rear Center
    Sub 12 - Subwoofer

    RF-3II - (For Sale)
    RC-3II - (For Sale)
    Synergy S-2 (For Sale)
  • 04-25-2007 12:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    mrseamus:

    I am located in Jacksonville Florida.  The front speakers will reside on the 15' wall and project across the 20' span.  At this point, I am considering the F-2's  with a C2 center and the S2 surrounds.



    How do you feel about road-trippin' to Gainesville? Or Lake City? Seriously. I popped a J'ville zip in the dealer locator & looks like J'v only
    has Installation places for in-wall/ceiling Reference stuff. Personally, I think It'd be worth the hour trip to hear the Reference line-up. I just
    don't know if the Synergy line would have the cahoneys to fill that open/large of an area. I could be wrong and will let the 'experts' in here
    answer that for sure. Call the stores (there's one listed in Brunswick GA too, approx same miles as to G'v or LC) & see what they have
    @ what price. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll be running a sale or clearancing some stock ... ya never know. Happy hunting.

    peace, mitch

    AKAI PDP4294 42" Plasma
    Yamaha HTR-5550
    Panasonic DMR-E80H
    Panasonic DMR-E95H
    Sony SLV-N700
    Yamaha DV-S5550 (Mom's got that now!)

    RF3 II
    RW-10d
    RCX-4

    5.1 wish List
    RS-3 II
    RC-3 II
  • 04-25-2007 2:27 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    First thing I would do is return all that monster cable crap and save yourself hundreds of dollars.  Buy all your cables from www.monoprice.com   Its pretty much the same cost at only 1:10th the price.  that should give you a little more money to work with.

     I want to cry every time I see someone spend $120 on a digital HDMI cable when you can get very nice ones with net jackets and gold connectors for 5-15 bucks depending on size....

     

    I agree definately stick with Reference if you can even if you have to go lower in the line.  Stay away from synergy as it will leave you wanting more soon enough.

    | Sony 60" XBR2 | Klipsch RF-82s, RC-62, RS-52s, RB-61s | HSU VTF3 MK3 | PICTURES http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10823268#post10823268 |
  • 04-25-2007 3:52 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    sethhobrin:

    First thing I would do is return all that monster cable crap and save yourself hundreds of dollars.  Buy all your cables from www.monoprice.com   Its pretty much the same cost at only 1:10th the price.  that should give you a little more money to work with.

     I want to cry every time I see someone spend $120 on a digital HDMI cable when you can get very nice ones with net jackets and gold connectors for 5-15 bucks depending on size....

     I agree definately stick with Reference if you can even if you have to go lower in the line.  Stay away from synergy as it will leave you wanting more soon enough.


    I'm glad sum1 else opened the Monster cable Pandora's Box ... I do agree with seth here. For now I use RatShaft 14Ga copper wire and screw-on (re-usable) gold plated banana plugs.
    My wire runs are < 10ft and for now the suit my ears just fine. Although i did put out a bit of $$ out for an AudioQuest Sub-X gold tipped cable @ 25% off and I needed a 15+ ft (6m) run to 
    reach my sub's placement. The $20 they knocked off the RCX-4s sale price made it less painful too.

    peace, mitch
    AKAI PDP4294 42" Plasma
    Yamaha HTR-5550
    Panasonic DMR-E80H
    Panasonic DMR-E95H
    Sony SLV-N700
    Yamaha DV-S5550 (Mom's got that now!)

    RF3 II
    RW-10d
    RCX-4

    5.1 wish List
    RS-3 II
    RC-3 II
  • 04-25-2007 4:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    I do agree with Seth as well, if can return the monster cables, do it!

    For the speakers try to go with the reference system, I'm sure you can find a good set of RF3's, RC3's and RS3's in your price range.

    I just saw one go on Ebay for less then $700 and the auction also included a KSW sub.Check you PM

    Traveling so much lately I don't have the time to enjoy them but there it is
    Main system
    RF 83 , RC 64 , RS 62 and 2 x RSW 15 subwoofers
    Epson Home pro 1080P projector
    Harman Kardon 645
    Kenwood KM Z 1 THX AMPS
    Harmony 880
    X10 Lighting system
    Sony DVD/SACD player
    PS 3
    Monster power protection

    Second System
    RF 7, RC 7, RS 52 and RSW 12
    Yamaha
    Hitachi 50 inch Plasma
    Universal Mx 500 remote
    Panamax PM 5400 EX
    Toshiba HD DVD
    Sony CD player CDP CE 275
    Apple TV

    Spare set
    RF 3, RF 7 ( project), RC 7, RS 3 ( 1) for sale, RS 42
    SW 15 for sale

    Custom 2 headphones

    I will only speak about speakers which I either own or heard; everything else would be a guess and pointless.

    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself
  • 04-25-2007 6:41 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    mrseamus:

     My initial thoughts on budget are between $1200 - $1500 for the entire speaker set.  (2 fronts - front center- rear center and surrounds) remember, the sub is done. 

     

     

    Look for something in the reference family.  For that amount, you'll be in the range of the RF62 family of speakers.

     

    Good luck..... 

    65" MitsuHDTV
    YammiRXV2500
    Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-ray player
    Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player
    Direct TV HD-DVR
    RF82s fronts
    RC62 center
    RF52s surrounds
    SVS PB12-Plus/2 Subwoofer
    nameless back speakers:)
    Room Treatment:Ten GIK 244 acoustic Panels
    Ceiling: Four Auralex 2'x4'x2" Studiofoam acoustic panels
  • 04-25-2007 6:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Building a new HT system, need speaker advice

    falcon20x:

    I do agree with Seth as well, if can return the monster cables, do it!

    For the speakers try to go with the reference system, I'm sure you can find a good set of RF3's, RC3's and RS3's in your price range.

    I just saw one go on Ebay for less then $700 and the auction also included a KSW sub.Check your PM

    Traveling so much lately I don't have the time to enjoy them but there it is
    Main system
    RF 83 , RC 64 , RS 62 and 2 x RSW 15 subwoofers
    Epson Home pro 1080P projector
    Harman Kardon 645
    Kenwood KM Z 1 THX AMPS
    Harmony 880
    X10 Lighting system
    Sony DVD/SACD player
    PS 3
    Monster power protection

    Second System
    RF 7, RC 7, RS 52 and RSW 12
    Yamaha
    Hitachi 50 inch Plasma
    Universal Mx 500 remote
    Panamax PM 5400 EX
    Toshiba HD DVD
    Sony CD player CDP CE 275
    Apple TV

    Spare set
    RF 3, RF 7 ( project), RC 7, RS 3 ( 1) for sale, RS 42
    SW 15 for sale

    Custom 2 headphones

    I will only speak about speakers which I either own or heard; everything else would be a guess and pointless.

    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself
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