Interconnect Break In Time and Factors?

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05-11-2007 1:39 AM

zuzu
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Interconnect Break In Time and Factors?

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What is it in the construction or materials that add to or reduce the amount of time for an interconnect to break in? Does playing at higher volume break in a interconnect faster? What does the % broken in vs time curve look like in general. Does break in occur faster between some components than others ie CD to Pre amp vs pre amp to power amp?

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05-11-2007 3:05 AM In reply to

William F. Gil McDermott
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There is no break-in time for metal conductors and I expect the same is true for semiconductors except for some temperature related matters.

The wire and plugs work just fine right out of box and continue to do so for decades as long as there is not a corrosion issue.

Like I say, you can't make things better by fixing a problem which doesn't exist in the first place.

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05-11-2007 9:35 AM In reply to

speakerfritz
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zuzu

The list of reasons why break-in's are required and what is occuring will be just as long as the list that suggest no break-in's are required and nothing is occuring.

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05-11-2007 10:44 AM In reply to

Fish
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I would allow something between .001 and 5 seconds before critical listening,imo.

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05-11-2007 1:00 PM In reply to

LarryC
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Put me down for 20-40 hrs. estimated, much longer if silver.

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05-11-2007 2:39 PM In reply to

Mick Bell
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I've heard folks talk about "break in" periods for interconnects and speaker cable before. This simply has to be way out there in snake oil territory! What's to break in? Are molecules supposed to re-arrange themselves somehow imparting better sound thereafter? If there is an empirical, verifiable explanation for the claim that cables need to break in I'd sure be interested in knowing about it.

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05-11-2007 3:23 PM In reply to

mas
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How dare I read such blasphemy!

So we indeed have folks out here who are not exercising their cables?!?!

I suspect that this is simply the result of too many not exercising their minds either!

And seeing as so many are so lazy and care so little for their interconnects, I have gone to the trouble to source the latest incarnation from the alchemists lab, just for you! For the others, its from AudioAdvisor, the home of snake oil and the same folks who in the 80's brought you the ever so desired "water insulated cables" and the "light insulated cables". (Hey folks, even I couldn't make this stuff up! It's real!..well, meaning that they actually were sold! ...for outrageous prices...But hey, excellence costs!)

The irony is that when I was involved with the development of the RS6000SP internals, by virtue that it is the most powerful supercomputer available and offering a strategically critical position, IBM could have specified molecularly deposited salamander livers upon a platinum substrate if they could justify the reduced bit error rate and enhanced conductivity. And have you priced salamander liver these days!? Instead, plain old copper was employed on the circuit boards. And it wasn't even conditioned! Can you imagine!? Now there's a scandal for you!

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05-11-2007 3:31 PM In reply to

mark1101
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My favorite are the cables with the arrows on them. You best not hook those babies up backward. Wink

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05-11-2007 3:50 PM In reply to

mas
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mark1101:
My favorite are the cables with the arrows on them. You best not hook those babies up backward.

It depends. Often this is done to indicate that the shield is lifted at one end - a legitimate form of directional cable that can be employede to minimize ground loops and to provide additional RF/EMI rejection.

If it is sold as the electrons flowing in one direction better than another, run. As no one is marketing cable featuring strain-improved channel mobility via a strained matrix substrate material in cables where directional conductivity is improved. And even if they were, the cost would not justify the benefit.

I like to think of this distinction as being one between 'directional cable' and 'directional wire'. The former is real, the latter is not.

05-11-2007 5:00 PM In reply to

kaiser SET say
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"Are molecules supposed to re-arrange themselves somehow "

Actually Mick I think some of these cables manufacturers suggest just that Indifferent

Funny Mark, I bought some used cables off A-goN with directional ends so I might just have to turn them around an see what happens Surprise Wonder if it will take the sound longer to get to upstream equipment then? LOL

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05-11-2007 5:04 PM In reply to

kaiser SET say
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"Wonder if it will take the sound longer to get to upstream equipment then?" Dork, that would be signal Wink

05-11-2007 5:14 PM In reply to

Daddy Dee
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I have a hard time imagining break in for interconnects.

Bob Crites has a "widow maker" contraption for conditioning capacitors in some way. Also think I've heard LeoK speaking of conditioning caps, but this is different kind of animal.

But I'm a skeptic. I don't think much of high end power cords either. So take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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05-11-2007 5:36 PM In reply to

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05-11-2007 7:50 PM In reply to

Maron Horonzak
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I use razer wire, It will cut you in both directions....But will give you a sharper image.

05-11-2007 8:39 PM In reply to

colterphoto1
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use wire, the electrons don't care. no break in. what mas said.

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