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Last post 05-25-2009 9:38 AM by mikieboyblue. 76 replies.
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  • 07-24-2007 1:42 PM In reply to

    • DrWho
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    Ideally, you need to be a port diameter distance away from any boundaries inside the cabinet. You can get away with closer, but it changes the tuning point (basically shifting it lower). Eventually you get to a point where you start constricting the air and then it essentially becomes a lossy sealed cabinet with lots of chuffing/whistling noises.
    -Mike Bentz
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  • 07-24-2007 2:31 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    So in english (sorry), it was mentioned that I can use two 2" ports or one 6" port. What should be used and where should they be placed. You mentioned the sizes and 6x6 port. With 8.75" of space, is that too close? Should the port be right in the middle? Sorry for all the silly questions. I need a bit of direction here.
     

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  • 07-25-2007 11:00 PM In reply to

    • STL
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    According to my numbers, using two 2" ports would still have the air moving a bit faster that I'd prefer (meaning there would be more of a chance for port noise).  I'd instead go with two 2.5" ports (like these http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=260-478) that are 1.5" long -- or better yet two 3.75" ports (like these ) that are 4.75" long.  I'm talking per speaker so you'll need a total of four ports with those options.  That single 6" port would have been nice, but the depth of it looks like it might cause issues.  If you can find someone selling 5" ports then you could go with one of those per speaker (and make them 3" deep).  All that said, you could try the dual 2" ports (since they are 0.75" deep and thus just holes in the wood) first and see how they work -- just position them so you could upgrade them to dual 2.5" or 3.75" ports if need be.   Their location doesn't really matter.

     

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  • 07-25-2007 11:31 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    Maybe a little mis-direction but Brian Cheney of VMPS has PR's down to a science. For the price you pay for his products he has real value for a "true" full ranged speaker. I personally prefer my Klipsch and the dynamics of horns but VMPS's are no slouch. And you can change the bass or "Q" with adding or removing mass from his PR's that come loaded from the factory.
    Chorus II's
  • 07-26-2007 10:49 AM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    STL:

    According to my numbers, using two 2" ports would still have the air moving a bit faster that I'd prefer (meaning there would be more of a chance for port noise).  I'd instead go with two 2.5" ports (like these http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=260-478) that are 1.5" long -- or better yet two 3.75" ports (like these ) that are 4.75" long.  I'm talking per speaker so you'll need a total of four ports with those options.  That single 6" port would have been nice, but the depth of it looks like it might cause issues.  If you can find someone selling 5" ports then you could go with one of those per speaker (and make them 3" deep).  All that said, you could try the dual 2" ports (since they are 0.75" deep and thus just holes in the wood) first and see how they work -- just position them so you could upgrade them to dual 2.5" or 3.75" ports if need be.   Their location doesn't really matter.

    I'm sorry. The one you linked to 8.5 inches long. And I cannot find a 3.75 x 4.75 port on the same site. Also, what's funny is you mention I can try 2 in. ports leaving them at the 3/4 in. deep MDF and see how that goes but how in the world would I know if it is right or wrong. I find it interesting there are so many options. How do you know what to choose or what is correct?

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  • 07-27-2007 12:13 AM In reply to

    • STL
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    You have to cut the ports I linked to the proper length yourself  -- that's just how it is done. 

     
    You would know if the 2" ports are wrong if you hear port noise which would be whistling, huffing, or puffing sounds -- in short anything that sounds out of the ordinary.  Of course your ears might be a bit tainted since they're used to hearing the speakers with the backs open.  Big Smile  Just try the dual 2" ports (but like I said space the properly to allow yourself to upgrade to at least the 2.5" ports).  I'm sure the speakers will initially sounds orders of magnitude better, but after that newness wears off you might notice some port noise (and then again you may not).

     

    Mitsubishi 55807 HDTV
    DirecTV HR10-250 HD TiVo
    Dish Network ViP 722 HD DVR
    Panasonic RP-56 Progressive Scan DVD
    Sony CDP-545 CD Player
    Sony STR-DA333ES A/V Receiver
    Sonance Sonamp-260
    KG5.5s (mains)
    custom designed and built speaker using a K-85-K horn and four 6.5" K-1075-SV woofers (center)
    KG3.5s in custom enclosures and with PRs replaced with ports (rears)
    ACI DV-12 subwoofer in custom four cubic foot sealed enclosure

    COMING EVENTUALLY:
    custom made grills for my custom enclosures
    Klipsch/Cerwin Vega hybrid: CV HED H-15 enclosure and woofer mated with Cornwall horns
  • 07-27-2007 9:16 AM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    STL:

    You have to cut the ports I linked to the proper length yourself  -- that's just how it is done. 

     HAHA! Ok. I didn't know that Stick out tongue

    I hear things pretty well but, is this something should be worried about if I can hear it only from a distance?

     

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  • 07-27-2007 10:12 AM In reply to

    • STL
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    Even if port noise is indeed present they will still sounds better than they do now with backs open, and be aware that port noise does not hurt your speakers themselves in any way.  Just give it a try and report back the results.

     

    Mitsubishi 55807 HDTV
    DirecTV HR10-250 HD TiVo
    Dish Network ViP 722 HD DVR
    Panasonic RP-56 Progressive Scan DVD
    Sony CDP-545 CD Player
    Sony STR-DA333ES A/V Receiver
    Sonance Sonamp-260
    KG5.5s (mains)
    custom designed and built speaker using a K-85-K horn and four 6.5" K-1075-SV woofers (center)
    KG3.5s in custom enclosures and with PRs replaced with ports (rears)
    ACI DV-12 subwoofer in custom four cubic foot sealed enclosure

    COMING EVENTUALLY:
    custom made grills for my custom enclosures
    Klipsch/Cerwin Vega hybrid: CV HED H-15 enclosure and woofer mated with Cornwall horns
  • 08-17-2007 2:51 PM In reply to

    • STL
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    mikieboyblue, 

    So are you still running those Chorus' without backs? 
    Mitsubishi 55807 HDTV
    DirecTV HR10-250 HD TiVo
    Dish Network ViP 722 HD DVR
    Panasonic RP-56 Progressive Scan DVD
    Sony CDP-545 CD Player
    Sony STR-DA333ES A/V Receiver
    Sonance Sonamp-260
    KG5.5s (mains)
    custom designed and built speaker using a K-85-K horn and four 6.5" K-1075-SV woofers (center)
    KG3.5s in custom enclosures and with PRs replaced with ports (rears)
    ACI DV-12 subwoofer in custom four cubic foot sealed enclosure

    COMING EVENTUALLY:
    custom made grills for my custom enclosures
    Klipsch/Cerwin Vega hybrid: CV HED H-15 enclosure and woofer mated with Cornwall horns
  • 10-29-2007 12:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    STL:

    mikieboyblue, 

    So are you still running those Chorus' without backs? 

     Sadly yes (house remodeling get in the way). I hope to get around to making the backs, rewiring, and installing Bob C.'s crossovers soon! I will report back when I have it done. Thanks for asking.
     

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  • 09-16-2008 12:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

     Ok, I am going to revive this nearly year old thread as I have still not gotten around to taking care of this...sign...

    So, new question. We were discussing putting two 15 inch MDF discs in place of the passive radiators and possibly adding a port because the passive radiators seem hard to come by. However, will searching for a replacment M&K driver for my father, I cam across these Dayton 15 inch passive radiators and was wondering if that would work as well? 

    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-194

    Obviously they would be much more expensive than the MDF route but just courious. I actually have to read this thread again to figure out what I was suppose to be doing!

    Thanks,
    Mike

    Stereo-dumb -- socially-smart.....
  • 09-16-2008 7:19 PM In reply to

    • DrWho
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    I went ahead and modelled it in WinISD...it looks like you might lose just a bit of output at the bottom end, but not much.

    White = Stock
    Magenta = Dayton PR

    Using 2 Dayton PR's actually gets you lined up perfectly, but I'm not sure if you wanna cut extra holes in your cabinet or not.


    -Mike Bentz
    ~It's all about compromise~

    "Crown, Active, and Horns"
  • 09-17-2008 8:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    Whoa, thanks Doc. You and some of the other folks on this forum really amaze me and really make this forum a better place.

    I might not always understand every post, but I do learn something each time.

    I find it interestesting that putting two of these Dayton 15s in the cabinets actually matches stock. Makes me wish I could get the stock PR.

    The main reason why I am still leaning to get a PR is becuase I would rather have the speakers back to their orignal state as oppose to modified with a plug in the back. Who knows...putting the MDF in there is certainly cheaper by many dollars.

    Stereo-dumb -- socially-smart.....
  • 09-24-2008 1:12 PM In reply to

    • STL
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    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    mikieboyblue:
    ...putting the MDF in there is certainly cheaper by many dollars.
    And if done properly, would get you closer to stock than the Dayton PRs. 

     

    Mitsubishi 55807 HDTV
    DirecTV HR10-250 HD TiVo
    Dish Network ViP 722 HD DVR
    Panasonic RP-56 Progressive Scan DVD
    Sony CDP-545 CD Player
    Sony STR-DA333ES A/V Receiver
    Sonance Sonamp-260
    KG5.5s (mains)
    custom designed and built speaker using a K-85-K horn and four 6.5" K-1075-SV woofers (center)
    KG3.5s in custom enclosures and with PRs replaced with ports (rears)
    ACI DV-12 subwoofer in custom four cubic foot sealed enclosure

    COMING EVENTUALLY:
    custom made grills for my custom enclosures
    Klipsch/Cerwin Vega hybrid: CV HED H-15 enclosure and woofer mated with Cornwall horns
  • 09-24-2008 1:51 PM In reply to

    Re: Chorus II - crossover, diaphragms, passive subs and more

    STL:

    mikieboyblue:
    ...putting the MDF in there is certainly cheaper by many dollars.
    And if done properly, would get you closer to stock than the Dayton PRs. 

     

     

     

    Yes....properly....I am sure I will be back to post again when I figure out what I was going to do...I have to reread to see if I needed a port or not.

    Stereo-dumb -- socially-smart.....
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