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  • 09-08-2007 1:44 AM

    DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    Hey fellow Klipsch Cornerloaders,

    I am interested in hearing your latest thoughts on multichannel audio.  Do you have DVDA's.  If so what DVD Audio Disc do you have and why do you like it?  Is it a live or studio recording?

    Are the speaker requirements different for Multichannel Music VS Movies?  WHY?

     

     

     

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  • 09-08-2007 2:57 AM In reply to

    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    Best: Grateful Dead -American Beauty remixed by Mickey Hart

    Not only is the mix a revelation uncovering what are seemingly new instruments over the original mix, but Hart has definatively defined the point of view that serves as a reference for the mix - in other words, he provides a reasoned perspective from which the mix engineer attempts to position the staging and the subsequent acoustical positioning of each component part...in this case from the position on stage of the drummer, a role he filled for most of the band's history.

    Not only does this make the mox spectacular, but he provides a coherent approach to the methodology relating to the surround cponcept that is dramatically absent in the majority of the surround sources available. This is to my knowledge the best example of the potential for surround sound in any of the commercially  accepted formats.

    Worst...Now this is a bit harder, not because it is hard to find one, but precisely because there are so many! Just because you now have additional channels in which to place the various voices does not mean that it makes sense to simply randomly assign them in an attempt to be trendy and clever. If only so many engineers would discover this... But my vote goes to The Doors- LA Woman. I almost defy anyone to get all of the channels to reproduce at the same time.  An otherwise spectacular album reduced to a karaoke disk.

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  • 09-08-2007 4:25 AM In reply to

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    If I'm watching any kind of music in surround sound, it's usually going to be in the form of a live concert dvd. Pink Floyd's "Pulse" and Roxy Music's "Live at the Apollo" are both extremely well produced. I heard both at Colter's place where he is surrounded by his cornwalls supplemented by the Ultra2 subwoofage. The thing I like the most is feeling like you're in the middle of the crowd (and of course all the insane dynamics and clarity offered by horns).

    Were you specifically asking about just DVD-A?
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  • 09-08-2007 12:17 PM In reply to

    • dtel
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    I only have a couple DVD-A  " Riding with the King "  Eric Clapton and BB King, very good recording.

    Also "Rumours"  Fleetwood Mac

    I also like the SACD "October Road"  James Taylor

    I need to get some more , bud concert DVDs kind of ruined me being able to watch the show also. But the DVD-A and SACD sound much much better.

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  • 09-08-2007 12:24 PM In reply to

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    whose professor thump's real name?
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  • 09-08-2007 12:42 PM In reply to

    • zis
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    I HAVE THE - BLUE MAN GROUP DVD , AND U GET 2 SIDES ; ONE WITH DVD AUDIO ON DTS AND SECONED WITH LIVE SHOW

    THEY ARE PLAYING VERY COOL TOOLS THAT SOUND VERY GOOD ON MY RS52 SET

    ANJOY 

  • 09-08-2007 12:48 PM In reply to

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    I prefer DVD Audio over SACD or concert video - when the mixes are done nicely. 

     Favorites:  Fleetwood Mac - Rumours, Steeley Dan - Two Against Nature.

    Worst:  I actually agree with MAS (gasp) and vote for The Doors - LA Woman.  I will demo the title track for those who are not used to well-mixed audio just to show what the medium can do, but that does not mean that I think the mixes are "good."  Instead, Jim Morrison's voice floats around different speakers arbitrarily.  Wish someone would remix another version of the album for DVD-Audio because its a shame, given the music.

    As for rear speakers, I disagree with some of my Klipsch brethren and wholeheartedly prefer floorstanders in the rear/sides to the infamous sprayers (even THX-rated ones).  In my experience, there are a fair number of DVD-Audio and SACD mixes that require substantial participation from the surrounds beyond "helicopter effects" or crowd noise.  I tried various sprayers, including RS-7s, and large bookshelves, including RB75s, and I ended up going back to floorstanders.  Of course, just my opinion and your mileage may vary, etc., etc.

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  • 09-08-2007 1:45 PM In reply to

    • Coytee
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    cjgeraci:
    I actually agree with MAS (gasp)

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  • 09-08-2007 4:52 PM In reply to

    • dtel
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    Jay481985:
    whose professor thump's real name?

    Considering what you won in Indy you would be glad to know........ 

    Mark Blanchard,  Sr. Acoustic Development Engineer  (Professor THUMP)  

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    Champagne in one hand - strawberries with whipped cream in the other hand, body
    thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

  • 09-08-2007 5:22 PM In reply to

    • Mikekid
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    Fleetwood Mac

    Eagles (Hotel California)

    Neil Young (Harvest)

    Queensryche (Empire)

    R.E.M. (Automatic for the people & Best of)

    Natalie Merchant (Tigerlily)

    Mike Oldfield (Tubular Bells 2003)

    Seal (Best 1991-2004)

    All of these sound GREAT here!

    Take care

    Mike

     

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  • 09-08-2007 6:02 PM In reply to

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    I am a fan of High Rez audio and disapointed they didn't market it to the mainstream. I like watching Concert DVDs, but when compared to the studio albums remixed in 5.1, I prefer the latter most of the time. I also have several concert DVD-As but they aren't markedly better than their DVD counterparts and they don't have the video.
     
    All of the Talking Heads dual-disks are good. Speaking in Tongues has a great remix of "Burning down the House" which is my number one demo song. On the Best of REM DVD-A the song "Ebow the letter" has some tremendous bass. I also like the Beatles Love remake in multichannel. Also, if you are a T-Rex fan, Electric Warrior on DVD-A is a must-have. Yes
     
    The last one I picked up was Steely Dan's Gaucho. I never was a big fan but really like how they converted that material into 5.1. It's cool hearing the horns coming from my rear RB-75s. :-)
     
    Fwiw, using my Denon-link I can send that PCM info to my AVR 4806 (one wire) and it processes the rear channels into a 7.1 configuration that is awesome!
     
    Insofar as speaker and placement requirements...My Denon allows me to have 2 sets of side surrounds and I played around with RS-7s, RB-75s, and RF-3s (raised to ear level to match my RF-7's). I preferred the RF-3s to the RB-75s (I really wanted to like the RB-75 better) and thought I would keep the RS-7's for movies. What I found was given that I sit parallel to my side surrounds, I liked having the tweeters and duel woofers pointing towards me for both music and movies and I seldom (read never) use my RS-7s anymore.
     
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  • 09-08-2007 6:27 PM In reply to

    • JerolW
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    I accidently picked up a DVD-A copy of Morph The Cat by Donald Fagen. It sounds great. If I can use the term 'airy' that's how I'd descibe it over the regular version.

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  • 09-08-2007 10:24 PM In reply to

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    I'm going to have to listen to L.A. Woman in multichannel mode now. In 2-channel it sounds terrific!

    OMG...what did they do to Jim? The best thing about it in multi-channel, it was like listening to the album for the first time. Definitely cutting edge, but without Jim's vocals front an center...it was a mess. 

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  • 09-09-2007 1:01 PM In reply to

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    I've been listening to DVD-Audio & SACD's for about 4 or 5 years now.

    I agree with the above opinions, but I enjoy the difference in the sound quality. The sound is much better then what I hear

    from CD's and DVD-Vidios. It is more analog sounding, cleaner, and more open sounding. There seems to be more space

    between the instruments. I hope that the new formets like Blu-ray & HD DVD's with HDMI audio will sound as good.

    My collection is limited, because there arn't many Blues and old Rock discs out there. That's all I listen to.

     

    I suggest full range speakers for every channel.

    Q-Man
  • 09-09-2007 6:01 PM In reply to

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    Yea, unfortunately some are great and some are god awful.

    The Beatles LOVE is one of the best sounding DVD-A recordings out there. I played it on my system at the Lake Country get together this summer.

    JM


     

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