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  • 09-09-2007 7:06 PM In reply to

    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    I have a sh!tload of DVD-As (and SACDs).  Too many to list.

    As far as the speaker requirements for multichannel music versus movies, the closer all five of your speakers are to being identical the better for multichannel music.  Diffusing, surround-specific speakers for the rears are a no-no as the soundtracks were mixed to be played back with direct radiating monopoles.

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  • 09-09-2007 7:12 PM In reply to

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    JerolW:
    I accidently picked up a DVD-A copy of Morph The Cat by Donald Fagen. It sounds great. If I can use the term 'airy' that's how I'd descibe it over the regular version.

    Wait.  I'm confused.  Are you saying that you have a DVD-A capable player yet the only DVD-A you've ever purchased was one that you picked up accidentally?  Huh?

     

    And Morph the Cat is an excellent sounding DVD-A, BTW, OP.  As are Steely Dan "Two Against Nature' and "Everything Must Go".  So are the other 2 Donald Fagan DVD-As, the Nightfly and Kamakiriad, although they are only 48kHz; still sound superb.  And Gaucho isn't bad at all, either.

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  • 09-09-2007 7:32 PM In reply to

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    I have somewhere around 75 DVD A disc's. DVD A surround when produced correct is very stunning and really places the listener in an entirely different realm of musical experiences. However, on the other hand I have several very poorly made disc's. This is not the fault of the format but the record companies that what to push older quad recordings down our throat that were great on 8 track but not in a Hi Res format. Granted some of the older recordings were done utilizing amazing recording techniques and were just waiting for the arrival of Hi Res multi channel playback.

    Unfortunately for the most part people are more concerned with how many mp3's they can stuff in there iPod where sound quality makes no difference. Go ahead and play that mp3 back on your real nice Klipsch or other good system and tell me how good it sounds...I think not. This has caused the down fall of a medium that was very exciting and promising for the people that truly love listening to great recordings. The record industry and video for that matter are more concerned with the system they developed own (DVD A vs SACD & HD DVD vs BR) over putting there collective heads together and satisfying the consumer instead of confusing them.

    Ok enough of that rant and back to the question at hand.

    Pink Floyds DSOTM DVD A is outstanding and so is the SACD but I prefer the DVD A version.

    ALL of the Porcupine Tree DVD A are in a class by themselves just outstanding  reciordings.

    Both of the Queen releases are great. Someone mentioned Love, very exciting recording.

    ELP Brain Salad Surgery is excellent and if you have never heard of Toy Matinee go buy the DVD A it is excellent.

     Too many to go through but I love Hi Res DVD A

     

    scooter

     

     

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  • 09-10-2007 12:50 AM In reply to

    • JerolW
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    I had to play it in my DVD player, (as opposed to my CD player), through my TV and then my receiver.

    What I need is a new receiver with HDMI throughput. I'm looking now for a new receiver, but all the bells and mirrors (if I may mix my metaphors) are really not needed.

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  • 09-10-2007 11:13 PM In reply to

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    I like DVD Audio a lot, but have mostly just had a problem with the fact that it tends to need a monitor to navigate through the menus.

    I love my SACD's though!!!! I just wish that they were pumping them out.  It's so sad that SACD and DVD-A didn't really make it, but what can you expect when most of the world listens to music through either a $100 boombox, some $40 computer speakers, or iPod headphones.

    Definitely stay as close to having all tower speakers as you can.  I have 6 Klipsch towers and then a RC-7 center channel.

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  • 09-10-2007 11:21 PM In reply to

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    What can you expect?  I know what you mean but back when most of the world listened to radio or cheap stereo combo/record players there was a market for hi-fi including audiophile pressings of LPs and imports.  Now that some of us are old enough to afford this type of step up the economics of the matter conspire to deny us?  the hardware is there but the software is drying up; I somehow feel cheated.
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  • 09-11-2007 2:23 PM In reply to

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    aaronmarks:

    I like DVD Audio a lot, but have mostly just had a problem with the fact that it tends to need a monitor to navigate through the menus.

    I love my SACD's though!!!! I just wish that they were pumping them out.  It's so sad that SACD and DVD-A didn't really make it, but what can you expect when most of the world listens to music through either a $100 boombox, some $40 computer speakers, or iPod headphones.

    Definitely stay as close to having all tower speakers as you can.  I have 6 Klipsch towers and then a RC-7 center channel.

     

    Wow I never have to turn on my monitor. My DVD player defaults to DVD Audio when you insert one. Check your menu maybe yours can do this too. 

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  • 09-12-2007 1:35 AM In reply to

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    Greetings,

     I am also a fan of dvd-a, eventhough I do not have alot of titles yet.

    Mine are:

    Queen - The Game

    Queen - Night at the Opera

    also my wife and I are both fans of Bollywood movies, and they are releasing some of their movie soundtracks now on dvd-a.  We have:

    Dhoom 2

    Ta Ra Rum Pum

    Veer Zaara

    Veer Zaara should arrive soon in the mail, but thats about it.  I also have the Bjork Surrounded box.  It isn't in dvd-a but the DTS 96/24 is really nice on it.

     

    I really enjoy dvd-a for the quality, and the feeling that you are indeed in the room with the performers.  Well worth it.

  • 09-12-2007 7:17 AM In reply to

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    I have a number of DVD-A and SACD recordings, and much prefer the DVD-A format. My favorites are:

    The previously mentioned Grateful Dead - American Beauty and Blue Man Group 

    Diana Krall - Love Scenes

    Pat Methany Group - Imaginary Day

    Steve Stevens - Flamenco A Go Go

    Big Phat Band - Swingin' For The Fences

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  • 09-12-2007 3:24 PM In reply to

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    Does anyone have a copy of the Emerson Lake & Palmer "Brain Salad Surgery" DVD-A  that you would be willing to sell?  I didn't even realize this album was ever made as a DVD-A.  Please email/pm me if you have it and would be willing to sell.  Thanks!! 

     

    BTW, the Yes-Fragile DVD-A is pretty good, a little more reverb in the vocals than I'd like, but still very good and clean sounding.  The Grateful Dead album "Workingman's Dead" is almost as good as "American Beauty".  Beck's "Sea Change" is a nice choice also, even has video's for the songs but I prefer to turn off the TV when listening.   Last but not least would be The Beach Boys "Pet Sounds".  Sounds awesome in 5 channel, and they just re-released it in a 40th anniversary edition with both the redbook and DVD-A discs in one case for $16! 

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  • 09-13-2007 1:57 AM In reply to

    • UFObuster
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    Regarding multi-channel....I agree, Carl......I use a pair of RF-5 speakers for surrounds.   There are a number of DVD-a and concert DVDs that use the surround channels well.   Clapton's DVD Sessions for Robert J. comes to mind...and also the Deutsche Grammophone DVD recordings of Von Karajan's Beethoven series.....virtual action movies of symphonic music.  How could you not listen to Steely Dan's DVD "Two Against Nature" without tower surrounds, although, all of those horns coming from behind and a little left are weird.  Lest I forget, some good SACDs....Elton John comes to mind.

    BTW, I use a left-over RC-35 (Klipsch-center channel speaker)  in my system as a center-back channel, too.  It smooths out the rear channel response a lot in a big room and helps the surrounds not "ping-pong".  I think recording engineers have a way to go to get surround channels right.

    Disclaimer:  if your HT needs are to listen to bus, car, plane, train crashes and battle/action all night long...the previous comments will make no sense.

     

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  • 09-13-2007 11:00 AM In reply to

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    papashawn:

    BTW, the Yes-Fragile DVD-A is pretty good, a little more reverb in the vocals than I'd like, but still very good and clean sounding. 

    By far, the worst sounding DVD-A I own. Compare it with Gaucho and it's night and day. I'm glad someone likes it though. Big Smile

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  • 09-13-2007 1:29 PM In reply to

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    I have yet to hear the Fragile dvd-a.  I have two import press lp's from two different countries and neither quite does it for me.  I think that there must be flaws in the master recording because there are spots that sound too distorted to be in character for Yes.
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  • 09-13-2007 1:49 PM In reply to

    • Strabo
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    Re: DVD AUDIO ANYONE?

    SCOOTERDOG:

    Pink Floyds DSOTM DVD A is outstanding and so is the SACD but I prefer the DVD A version.

    scooter

    The differences here are not because of the medium.  The SACD was remixed in 2003 for multi-channel and stereo release.  The DVD-A is a bootleg of the original quad release.

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  • 09-13-2007 7:25 PM In reply to

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    sivadselim:

    As far as the speaker requirements for multichannel music versus movies, the closer all five of your speakers are to being identical the better for multichannel music.  Diffusing, surround-specific speakers for the rears are a no-no as the soundtracks were mixed to be played back with direct radiating monopoles.

     

    It is interesting to note what users expect from surround speakers or shall I say "rear" speakers when playing back multi-channel music. 

    In a previous life, I was working with Laurie Fincham, Chief Scientist at THX on certification issues for the Klipsch ProMedia V.2-400.  Multi-channel DVD's were just getting big for the consumers via free DVD players in computers.   DVD Audio was just an idea on the horizon for the average consumer but it intrigued me. 

    THX is very secretive about their specifications for products and understandably so.  It is their lifeblood for income.  I was talking with Laurie Fincham about THX specifications for surround speakers when we got onto the topic of rear speakers for music, i.e. DVD Audio.  We debated as to whether a mono-pole, bi-pole or di-pole speaker was the best solution for music source in the rear sound stage.  The question that both of us had come to was...what did the mix engineer have in mind for sound stage imaging in the master mix?  Was the listener to be in the middle of the band, or in the conductor's position?  Could he or she be in the drummer's audible perception or in the audience of some premier performance hall with great acoustics?  Any one of these answers could be correct depending on how we like to hear our music and / or what instrument we see ourselves playing. 

    To be in the audience meant that a standard multi-pole speaker that was full range would be just fine if the master mix had reverb and fans clapping as the only signal going to the rear speakers.  If you expected an instrument or especially a voice to come from one of these speakers you were in trouble.  You didn't want the voice smearing across the rear walls of your listening area with out any direct signal coming from the speaker unless you were trying to imitate the performer singing away from you.  I am a big fan of multiple speakers in the rear and above you for movie play back and any reverb effects.  According to Thomas Holman, 20.2 is the limit before diminishing returns.  I am only at 10.2 because I have run out of amplifiers and practical places to hang rear speakers.  Now that we think about DVD Audio one could argue that you need a separate room or at least speaker designs for the rear, which is good for me because I design speakers.  I just need to find an amplifier engineer to swap with....Geeked

    Do you think Klipsch needs to make a DVD AUDIO SPEAKER?

     

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