DeanG:

Richard, $7000 USD in Norway -- a pair in the US routinely sell for less than $3000.

I'm confused...  he lives in Norway?  Pricing for a pair of CW III's in Norway is (per him) about $7,000?

If Ralph can buy a pair of Jubilees in England for say, $7,500 (I don't know his exact price), then if a pair can be had in Norway for "similar" money, I'd suggest it's an easy call and easily worth the effort to find out.

no??

It doesn't matter what they trade for in the US if he's buying them in Norway.

jpm:

I owned a pair of RF7's for about 6 months and traded them for LaScala's. I much prefer the Heritage sound. It's a fuller, more real sound to me.

I went from Khorns to RF-7's and had to get Khorns again. I also recall auditioning La Scala's, and Belle's which I thought were not as good as the Khorns. The progression would be towards the Heritage line I would think.

If the prices for Norway are as quoted, then clearly there is a high tax placed on importing them into the country.  Your "if" is a big one since England and Norway are completely separate and different governmental entities(to paraphrase you it also doesn't matter what they trade for in England if he's buying them in Norway).  I took his post as being the prices that he could get from a dealer there, which due to additional factors relating to the cost of business there may also raise the price.  It may be possible that by purchasing Klipsch from a US dealer, then bearing the cost of shipping and importing into Norway, he could get a better deal.  This would be up to him to investigate.  It might also be possible he would rather not go through all of that hassle and prefers to buy from a dealer there.

I hit the quote button the first time, and the edit time, and still no quote.  This post refers to coytee's post, fyi.

oldtimer:

I hit the quote button the first time, and the edit time, and still no quote.  This post refers to coytee's post, fyi.

Forums lessons 101, how to make quotes, starts next week...

I think some are also missing something...  the (insert speaker) will typically go through some dealer channels whereas it's possible (key word) that the Jubilee will fall more outside those channels as they'd possible get some special treatment by Klipsch.

All I'm saying is...  if $7,000 is an approximate cost for some new speakers then it's worth a converstation with Roy as to how much a pair of Jubilees might cost...heck, for all I know, it might cost them $25,000 to get them there.  Then again...  if, because of the unique order, they are more in line with what Ralph paid (and I only used him because he lives outside the US) then I still maintain it's at least worth looking into.  Oh, and doesn't England also tax things highly?  (honest question...I seem to recall him making comment about import duties)

This IS all predicated on him having an interest AND room for what some people, other than Cra??, feel to be the pinnacle of PWK's endeavours.

What's the worst that can happen if he does as I suggest? 

A) find out they're close enough to his budget (with presumed interest) and buy them

B) find out they're STILL way outside his budget and not buy them

Either way, won't hurt to find out given the quote on the Cornwalls.  If of course, he's got ZERO interest or room for plug uglies then it would make no sense to find out.

 

All my opinion of course...  well...other than what Cra?? seems to think  

 

 

Yeah I don't think we have much disagreement between ourselves richard.  The poor guy hasn't even heard cornwalls and now we are pushing jubes on him.  It's time for him to return to this thread when he wakes up and provide some feedback.

oldtimer:

provide some feedback

Or turn tail & run HARD at what I'm suggesting?  (as in away from)

 

(warning, thread theft)

btw, wasn't it you that I sent that book to?  If so, did you ever read it?

(ok, thread back on topic now, carry on)

 

Yes it was, and still is.  See your inbox for more so as not to totally destroy the thread.

No way, go with the RF-83, maybe an RC-64 in addition, the center channel does add presence.  As a guy who has grown up with Heritage series equipment, I see the RF series as a serious step in evolution.  As an owner of both Heritage and RF series, I prefer the RF series for listening.

Geez, the Cornwall is a good efficient speaker w/alot of pesonality, but I think the RF-83 has much better detail and clarity in sound.  Things move forward and although the Cornwall is 2db more efficient, the RF-83 is real progress, detailed and fine not just a bright, airy, loud sound.  My mom has a pair of KHorns she bought for the house back in '62, I have owned both a  pair of Heresy's and now I've had the Heresy II's for 22 years, I like my RF-52's and the RC-52 much better.  Evolution in technology is a great thing.

Given the 2 db in efficiency, 100 db/1watt/1meter v 102 db/1 watt1 meter, either way you're moving a lot of air, the subwoofer for sure means you are reinforcing the lower frequency range of the RF-83, which has a better frequency response range than the Cornwall II.  Although there hasn't been much evolution of the human ear, there certainly has been in the reproduction of analog wave lengths, the RF series represents some of the finest progress in the art of speaker making.

You have my vote on the RF-83's.  Traditonalists may flame me, but when I got my RF-52's and RC-52, I put the Heresy II's under a blanket, and I haven't looked back.   Heck, even my girlfriend likes them.  Throw in an RC-64 for good measure with the money you save, you'll have a great sonic investment.  You are setting up a home stereo, not a theater or PA system.

 Either way, enjoy, I vote RF series.

Check out the link below:

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html 

Nice comments, but have you heard the Cornwall III?  I haven't but those who have describe it as a serious step up from past Cornwalls.

The new Cornwall III is a very nice speaker - definitly a step up from the older versions.

A while back I had the opportunity to compare the RF-83 side by side with the Khorn, Lascala II, Heresy III and the Cornwall III. To my surprise, the RF-83 was as tall as the Khorn, and deeper than the lascala. Although narrow, it sticks out quite a ways into the room - effectively taking up just as much usable floorspace as the other speakers present. The most surprising speaker in the bunch was the Heresy III, which projected such huge sound for a small speaker. The Lascala II was definitely a cleaner sound than the Heresy, but I think the Cornwall proved itself a more all around speaker (way more bass). The Khorns sounded pretty nice too, but for oldschool rock I would probably lean towards the Cornwall.

When we pulled out the RF-83, it was quite apparent that the lower mids, especially in male vocals, weren't as pure sounding. The RF-83 was voiced in a manner that sounded very similar to the Khorn, but them drivers (as awesome as they are) just weren't able to keep up with the horns. The Cornwalls projected a larger sound than the RF-83, which is probably mostly a function of room acoustics, but the large baffle of the Cornwall plays a role in that too. The thing that struck me about the RF-83 bass was that the only word I could use to describe it is "bubbly sounding" - like bass notes just didn't have any girth or attack to them. The Cornwall, on the other hand, had lots of attack and authority in the bass. Looking back on it now, it's quite possible that these impressions are the result of the tube amps driving the speakers (Cayin amp and CD Player). Controlling 3 woofers is a lot harder than controlling just 1.

I really don't think you can go wrong either way, and if you already like the sound of the RF-82, then you're certainly not going to dislike the sound of the RF-83. Considering the difference in price point, I really don't think the improvements gained by going with the Cornwall III are worth $3000.

Coytee brings up a good point though....you might be able to land yourself a pair of Jubilees for about the same price as the Cornwall III. The increase in performance will absolutely be worth the extra investment. If it came down to a money issue, I would encourage you to forgo the fancy amplifier since the Jubilee will have far more return for the investment.

Thanks alot for all the oppinions! The truth is, that i am changing job, and will be a selling hi-fi, and Klipsch is one of the brands we are selling! Looking foreward to beginn. :) I think i am leaning towards the RF-83. But do you guys think the MC275 is a nice match? Will it controll the 3 woofers well? And what do you mean "Uffda" Craig? Haha. What does your tube idea cost? When it comes to the Jubilee, i have no experience with them. When i search google, i find Klipsch KPT Jubilee 535, black industriell speakers. Is it theese monsters you are talking about? Are they still in produtcion?

Tom,

  Your Norwegian so I thought you would know what Ufda means. It's something my Grandmother used to always say when she heard something she didn't like  As far as what I would suggest feel free to contact me off the forum. The MC275 is a fine amplifier though you could do much worst. I'm not sure of what the Import implications are for Norway.

                                                                                                                                                     Craig 

 

                                                                                                                        

Tom_E:

When i search google, i find Klipsch KPT Jubilee 535, black industriell speakers. Is it theese monsters you are talking about? Are they still in produtcion?

There is a 2-way version for the home:
http://www.artisanaudio.co.uk/speakers/speakers.html

Wow, they look good, and i bet they sound even better. But that is too big for my currently apparmtent. When i move, it will be a smaller one too, so the RF-83 are easyer to place when that time comes.