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Last post 05-22-2008 1:14 PM by IndyKlipschFan. 26 replies.
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  • 05-19-2008 5:12 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    And welcome to the forum AV.. Nice to see "pros" in here anytime.. 

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 05-19-2008 6:37 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    IndyKlipschFan:

     

    Allthough I would be suprised if the Klipsch THX system could compete with my Heritage based setup !

    Seriously

    Droopy...

    Seriously, you can come here and get a demo of a little of both.. hehehehehehehehe 

    It is just different.. I wish I could get the three 650's up front for a demo too someday?  Maybe someone in Indy who orders them, will bring em over to see?   But if you like that K horn / La Scala dynamic sound... Hard to go to something different.  A jube system?? Again, the wow factor is off the charts as well.

    I will say this... That newer palladium system is just awesome... That in any HT will ROCK!  

    After reading the specs of the THX system again , I feel I must change my initial response of being suprised if the THX set up could compete with my Heritage based set up .

    I must now say , no how , no way could it compete ! OK , so the satellites have a tiny bit better frequency response than my Belles . The efficiency is way down and my sub will dig deeper . As far as space considerations go the THX system wins though .

    Now assuming we add music into the equation ...

    *Klipsh Belle mains , center and surrounds with DeanG Super AA networks in the front 3 and DeanG reworked AA's in the surrounds .
    *Velodyne DD18 sub
    *Pioneer Elite receiver feeds a Parasound 5250 amp
    *Sony PS3 60 gig-games
    *Oppo BDP-83 disc player
    *Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HDC HD/DVR
    *Pioneer Kuro 6020FD display

    16 x 22 room , system on the long wall .
  • 05-20-2008 10:08 AM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

     Sunburn...

    Consider I have in my dedicated HT

    7 La Scalas 

    Ka 1000 amp with 2 of the THX subs

    And 2 of the THX side surrounds

    all in a 17 x 28 roughly room.  106" screen

    It's very dynamic, as I am sure you feel it in yours too.  People outside this hobby drool when they come over to your place I bet?  They do in mine!

    The 650's might be more directional, and should have some higher highs maybe?  Especially 3 up front and 2 in the back?  That said... hard to move away from the classic Heritage sound if you like it?  I doubt either of us are losing any sleep over this?  hahahahahaha

    Enjoy the day!  

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 05-20-2008 12:42 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    Thanks Roger .

    BTW , I find it hard to believe you need the side surrounds . My set up is in a 16 x 22 room and I have no need to step up to 7.1 . 5.1 will overload the room just fine at about 120 db !

    *Klipsh Belle mains , center and surrounds with DeanG Super AA networks in the front 3 and DeanG reworked AA's in the surrounds .
    *Velodyne DD18 sub
    *Pioneer Elite receiver feeds a Parasound 5250 amp
    *Sony PS3 60 gig-games
    *Oppo BDP-83 disc player
    *Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HDC HD/DVR
    *Pioneer Kuro 6020FD display

    16 x 22 room , system on the long wall .
  • 05-20-2008 1:06 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

     hehehehehe

    I thik it is more for me to fill in the sides... I played around with it to be a all La Scala...which works too... but the fill factor was not right.  (for surrounds,  I think I prefered the KS 525's for movies to spray it a bit.  Timbre wise always use the same three up front!)  

    I could put the tops of the La scalas up there... but what to do with the bottoms is the problem in a 17' wide room..??

    But the sounds going behind you in 7.1 say as a plane flies over is just awesome....in 7.1.  

    I still play around some.. but if you come out here in June, stop by for sure and hear for yourself..... 

    Roger 

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 05-20-2008 1:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Heritage + THX vs Cinema + THX Line?

    For the dreamers in here.... my neighbor is but a few weeks away with three of these up front...

    http://www.klipsch.com/media/products/cut-sheets/kpt-325-cut-sheet-080326.pdf

    Drool... I think???? I cant wait to hear them.. He is using 4 subs...so 2 of the Klipsch THX KA 1000 amps and 4 of the THX 120 subs too.

     His room is "Architechtual Digest"  material... So all the side and rear surrounds are the THX KS and KL 7800 Inwalls from Klipsch.

    I am very happy I steered him down this path, I can't wait to see n hear the results.. If he allows it I will post some pics.. It will be the fanciest dedicated HT  theater I have ever been in I am sure.

    I would love to get a A vs B on this though....  Granted, I have the older La Scalas too...

    Klipsch 325...

    Detailed Description

    Engineered to save space, the new KPT-325 is only 12-inches in depth. The system features the KPT-315-LF single, 15-inch woofer enclosure coupled with the KPT-904-HF Tractrix® Horn. Amazingly, this compact combination delivers the same frequency response as the KPT-904 system. The KPT-325 is available with or without a passive crossover.

    KPT-325 Specifications

    frequency response50Hz-19kHz ± 3dB, -10dB @ 42Hz
    delayLF- 0ms
    HF- 0.1ms
    crossover slope24dB/Octave
    system componentsLF - KPT-315-LF – 400 watts
    HF - KPT-904-HF – 50 watts
    power handling450 watts
    sensitivity102dB
    crossover frequency800 Hz
    coverage angleHORIZONTAL 80° ± 20° 400Hz-18kHz
    VERTICAL 60° ± 20° 2kHz-19kHz
    height50.5" (128cm)
    width27.25" (69.2cm)
    depth12.25" (31.1cm)
    weight101 lbs. (46kg)
    * Prices are US MSRP and may vary by country.
     
    vs
    La Scala...

    Detailed Description

    Even though the La Scala II adopts a more finished appearance, it still delivers the same sparkling highs, extreme output and unsurpassed low distortion bass response as the original design. It also continues to utilize the same horn-loaded drivers as the Klipschorn, making it highly efficient and able to produce high volumes consuming very little power and undetectable distortion.

    When the La Scala first launched in 1963, audio pioneer Paul W. Klipsch made it for Arkansas gubernatorial candidate Winthrop Rockefeller to use as a public address speaker. Because some considered it a "portable" and more affordable version of the revolutionary Klipschorn®, the La Scala found success beyond the campaign. Despite its raw, unfinished appearance, the fully horn-loaded, three-way La Scala sounded so good people still wanted to put it in their living rooms.

    Remaining virtually unchanged since those early campaign days, Klipsch decided to cosmetically improve the raw-looking La Scala by totally redesigning the way the cabinet was constructed. The goal was the achieve a more finished appearance and improve cabinet rigidity. It is now available in a variety of high-quality wood veneer finishes, including cherry, walnut and black ash. The La Scala II also includes a grille to cover the mid and high frequency horns. The bass horn cabinet walls are now constructed of 1-inch thick MDF rather than ¾-inch plywood to offer more support, decrease resonance and deliver cleaner bass response.

     
    La Scala II Specifications
     
    frequency response51Hz-17kHz± 4dB
    power handling100 w max continuous (400 w peak)
    sensitivity105dB @ 1watt/1meter
    nominal impedance8 ohms
    crossover frequencyHF: 4500Hz
    MF: 400Hz
    maximum acoustic output121dB SPL
    tweeterK-77-F 1" (2.54cm) Phenolic diaphragm compression driver
    midrangeK-55-X 2" (5.08cm) Phenolic diaphragm compression driver
    mid frequency hornExponential Horn
    wooferK-33-E 15" (38.1cm) Fiber-composite cone / folded horn-loaded
    enclosure materialBirch Plywood and MDF
    enclosure typeFully horn-loaded
    dimensions38.5” H (97.79 cm) x 24.25” W (61.60 cm) x 25.25” D (64.14 cm)
    weight175.5 lbs unboxed
    finishesWalnut Lacquer, Cherry Lacquer, Black Lacquer
    built from

    2006

     

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 05-20-2008 1:43 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    sunburnwilly:

    Thanks Roger .

    BTW , I find it hard to believe you need the side surrounds . My set up is in a 16 x 22 room and I have no need to step up to 7.1 . 5.1 will overload the room just fine at about 120 db !

     

      

    I agree with you also that 5.1 can fill a room no problem. But with Blu-Ray now encoding a lot of the discs in 7.1 it sure would be nice to be able to take advantage of this. If you have ever heard a really nice 7.1 home theater with a true 7.1 decoded disc it’s a pretty amazing experience. Our THX Theater is 5.1 and not big enough for a 7.1 set up but I really wish I had the room to add in the rear surrounds. We just did a 7.1 with the THX In-walls and played Hairspray Blu-ray and it was truly awesome. 

     

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    We Bring The Experience To You
    Branford CT.
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  • 05-20-2008 1:58 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    I was at Roger's last weekend watching Cloverfields and there were a couple times where his THX surround really came to life. Purpose-built surrounds in the correct position do much more good in his theater than another set of LSIsplits in the rear corners. It's all about placment, and the processor makes up the difference in timing and volume.

    It works very well for Roger and I've heard a ton of home theaters. Good move Roger!

    M

    "She was your biggest fan, and you threw her away" - Almost Famous
  • 05-20-2008 4:47 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

     Your very gracious Michael..

    I know there is a "Science"...and a "ART" to all of this.. If I can be so bold to say this too.... A little "luck factor"  as well in getting all of your equipment to work together interface wise to bring the best out of each step of the process.

    I know in "Flight of the Phoenix," when that plane flies over you, it really feels like it, especially with those two big props spinning...

    In "Cloverfield" on the bridge scene where cables are splitting all around you and behind too...And that bridge gives out in front of you...YOU FEEL like your on that bridge for sure!

    Even in the THX blue exploding ball when it explodes through you....it feels like it was shot through you because of the rear speaker too.

    Movies in DD EX and DTS ES go even farther.  And with Blue Ray looks like more coming out in 7.1. 

    Like the AV guy said.. Set up well, you just get immursed in the whole story...... And that is the point.

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
  • 05-20-2008 6:37 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    get RF-83s all the way around.  That will sound better than THX. 

    -Josh

    Klipsch RF-83s, Seaton Submersive, Denon AVR 2106, Emotiva XPA-5, Panasonic TH-50PZ800U

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    "A house without music can never be a home." -Dave

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  • 05-20-2008 10:48 PM In reply to

    • billybob
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    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    Hello,

    Is that with a sub, in your opinion?

    Thanks!



    What song the Syrens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, although puzzling questions, are not beyond all conjecture. Sir Thomas Browne
  • 05-22-2008 1:14 PM In reply to

    Re: THX or Reference Line?

    For ht?

    You will always need a good sub or two..

    HT: 2008 My Dream La Scala HT System for downstairs is finally 99% done. 7 Split La Scala's, (Timbre up front DOES matter!) Two Klipsch THX KW 120 subs, with the KA 1000 Amp, with the Velodyne SMS-1, Bass management system, with 2 THX series KS-525's as side surrounds. WOW! Dedicated 17' x 30' room, 106" Daylite screen, with the Infocus 7210 DLP Projector. Sunfire Theater Grand IV, Sunfire Signature series 200 x 7 amp. SONY 550 BluRay DVD player. It's Klipsch Nirvana, for me. The ticket booth is open, and the popcorn machine works, So dim the lights, on with the show!!
    **NEW** TSCM bass bins with pro split La Scala tops, just for outdoor fun!
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