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  • 05-22-2008 12:37 PM In reply to

    • Bill Cain
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    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

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    Some truth, there.

     

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  • 05-22-2008 12:48 PM In reply to

    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

    Indy - I call 'em as I see 'em. It's quite evident someone is buying that crap, but I can say proudly I'm not one of them.

    There's no question Carrie Underwood has some talent, and she will be successful because of it, but it's the music most of them are singing (and the style that goes with it) that truly sucks! I would rather sit in a corner and stab myself with a fork than have to listen to that. 

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  • 05-22-2008 12:49 PM In reply to

    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

    Clarkson and/or Underwood just won American Country Music's Female Vocalist of the Year.  IMO, both are extremely talented individuals.

    Underwood teamed up with Reba McIntyre for a duet that is absolutely killer!

    Aiken's hit, "Measure of Man" is also pretty good.

    However, the three artists I mention are primarily country music performers....so if you do not like country music it is probably safe to assume you won't like their music.

    We also love to watch the auditions.....but I don't remember watching many shows after the auditions!

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  • 05-22-2008 12:59 PM In reply to

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    Mike Lindsey:
    I would rather sit in a corner and stab myself with a fork than have to listen to that. 

    Have you considered a spoon?

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  • 05-22-2008 1:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

    Underwood was the anomaly IMO...I don't watch the show but my wife does.........I walked through the den just when the Saiesha sp? girl did her duet with Seal, (not my favorite artist but talented)....Now here is a singer that made it to the final round and sounded soooooo horrible when singing with a pro...or was it that Seal just sounded that great in comparison. It was like listening to a great pair of fully tweeked Klipshhorns and then switching to a pair of kmart specials with blown drivers. I don't know how anyone can watch the show!!!!
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  • 05-22-2008 1:52 PM In reply to

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    Bill Cain:

    I Love Lucy was better.

    And still is.

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  • 05-22-2008 1:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

     

    There are very few people with any real "talent" on American Idol and the sad truth is that the ones who do genuinly have something, never make it through. they are cut because they don't conform, they are doing something uniqueSurprise,or they don't have the right look( You know young, hip,in shape, could've been on 90210). Also the public watching the show votes for looks and personality and for the most part probably wouldn't know the second coming of Aretha Franklin if it hit them in the face.

    A true talent is a songwriter, their own person, can sing, and here's the kicker...Has their own artistic vision, writes their lyrics and arranges their own compositions.

    American Idol is looking for pretty cookie cutter people to mold into the next 1 hit wonder with an army of PR reps and producers telling them everything.

     Sorry...I get irritated about the music buiz sometimes.

  • 05-22-2008 2:18 PM In reply to

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    About 5 years ago when Howard Stern was still on the radio he had the American Idol tri on this show.  It was classic.  This is the summary:

    The judges from American Idol were on Howard Stern yesterday (01/21/03). They were judging some people who came to the studio to see if they had what it takes to be on AI. They did their usual and ripped pretty harshly into the singers. Finally, the last person up, "Scott" sang a bit from "Hero" (from Spider-Man).

    (paraphrased)

    Simon: "You're too old to make it in this business. You're alright, but not very good."
    Paula: "You were alright, but you lost us when you closed your eyes. You lack the ability to project and you don't have a good presence."
    Last guy(?): "He was okay. Just okay."

    Howard:"Since you've already given your judgemen, I can reveal that this isn't Scott, but rather Josey Scott, who wrote and performed on the song "Hero" and is also in the band Saliva. So what does that tell you?"
    Simon: "That we have absolutely no idea what we are doing."

    Howard:"Thank you, Josey. By the way, about how many singles of that song did you sell?"
    Josey:"Over eight million."
    Artie Lang:"Well maybe if you opened your eyes and projected more, you could have sold nine million."

     

  • 05-22-2008 2:23 PM In reply to

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    That was a classic episode!!!!! you must get sirius if you are a H S fan.
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  • 05-22-2008 2:39 PM In reply to

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    Well, this is truly what I call "Having a Coke & a Smile"Wink

     

     


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  • 05-22-2008 2:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: American Idol Winners bomb, A mystery?

    IndyKlipschFan:

    Hardly a bomb???    USAToday Complete Chart of Idols Sales Numbers

    Published January 11th, 2008

    For those who love NUMBERS–I love numbers. Who doesn’t love numbers?

    1. Kelly Clarkson: 9.4 million total

    Breakaway: 5.9 million
    Thankful: 2.7 million
    My December: 740,000

    2. Carrie Underwood: 7.9 million total
    Some Hearts: 6.2 million
    Carnival Ride: 1.7 million

    3. Clay Aiken: 4.8 million total
    Measure of a Man: 2.8 million
    Merry Christmas With Love: 1.4 million
    A Thousand Different Ways: 522,000
    All Is Well EP: 53,000

    4. (Chris) Daughtry, Daughtry: 3.6 million

    5. Ruben Studdard: 2.5 million total*
    Soulful: 1.8 million
    I Need an Angel: 451,000*
    The Return: 236,000

    6. Fantasia: 2.3 million total
    Free Yourself: 1.8 million Fantasia: 502,000

    7. Bo Bice: 706,000 total
    The Real Thing: 670,000
    See the Light: 36,000

    8. Kellie Pickler, Small Town Girl: 702,000

    9. Taylor Hicks, Taylor Hicks: 699,000

    10. Josh Gracin, Josh Gracin: 695,000

     

     

    Just because it sells doesn't make it good. It just means it is palatable for the masses which I find boring 99% of the time. Just look at the charts for the last 10 years....

     

     

     

     

  • 05-22-2008 2:53 PM In reply to

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    So let's face it too... pretty faces on a lot of the artists I do love...they do not have. LOL  Is it perhaps through this rejection and self inwardness they reveal their stories in music to us so we too feel connected? 

    I assume we all can agree that the singer that tells the story and you feel it.. Whether they wrote it or not.. Is the one we connect too!

    But on American Idol... it is the "young cute pop star"  that makes it.. No question... 

    The Howard Stern episode might have been funny, but it again is the truth... Great for the guy who sang it if he is / was a success... But he never had the talent, the look, on American Idol to win that show. I know a few local people that could of,  in their prime, won American Idol I am sure.  Like most musicians, they might even be leading lives much like Henry David Thoreau said, "Most people lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to their graves with the song still in their heart."

    A great KJ here locally that tried to make it when she was out of college in Nashville, and a dear friend, had this to say...  And I will be honest with this caveat... Most average people who sing, let alone sing Karaoke are just that..average too.....  And a few suck!   But they have a good time!

    But I agree 100% with this quote.

    Everyone can sing
    As humans, most of us have been blessed with a voice
    One which allows us to communicate and laugh and cry
    And sing
    But we are taught that certain people are special
    And deserve the right to sing because their voice is better
    Or prettier
    And we support those elite few by giving them money
    And singing along with them in our cars
    Or our showers
    Or sometimes walking down the street
    Because we are moved by them
    Until we catch the next car over staring
    And having been caught
    Silence ourselves

    Now I'm not saying there isn't brilliance of talent in the universe
    Artists
    Voices that can touch millions and move us to sing along in our cars
    Or our showers
    All I'm saying is we each have an inherent need for self expression
    And insecurity and fear and this elitist mentality
    Prevent us every day from discovering the great works of art
    That are most definitely hiding within
    With a little luck
    Some humor
    A smart-ass DJ
    And maybe a wee bit of alcohol
    Together we can create a non-threatening environment
    Where we can all feel comfortable enough
    To find our own voice.
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  • 05-22-2008 3:00 PM In reply to

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    Glorified Karaoke................

  • 05-22-2008 3:23 PM In reply to

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    I equate the modern music business with the dumbing down of America or the blanding of American music. Thank gods for small music labels and those that do care about making interesting music. I like music with a spark of originality or someone that brings something abit different. You know the singer doesn't have to be the best but does have to have passion. It seems like lately when I do scan the radio it all sounds too similar. Variety is the spice of life.

     

     

     

  • 05-22-2008 3:26 PM In reply to

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    Twisting your quote...Seti 

    Just because it sucks to the masses and does not sell, does it make it "good" too...  LOL

    It just means it is palatable for the non connected who found a voice which I also find boring 90% of the time. See The Ramones below...

    Just look at the charts for the last 10 years....Yeah look at em... Britney and Mariah will out sell 99% of them all.....MANY times over.

    I just watched a movie on the story and impact of The Ramones. End of the Century    So let's look at The Ramones.. A whole generation in 80's fashion punk singers and musicians based on that one band alone? But just a few, if I am gracious, ok songs..  

     

    Description:
    The film's timeline begins in 1968, years before the band's formation in the Forest Hills section of Queens, with the boys hanging around the neighborhood playground. It ends shortly after their induction into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2002 and Dee Dee's death from a drug overdose. Among the rare footage in the film is a September 1974 performance in which the band is dressed in a more glam-rock fashion than their signature ripped jeans and leather jackets.

    Longer description by Colin Geddes:
    New York City was caught off guard in 1974 by the angry scream of punk. Raw and unrestrained, it was a sharp contrast to the soothing banality of soft rock and disco. At the forefront of the scene were The Ramones: looking like they had leapt out of a Saturday morning cartoon, they were a grotesque version of The Monkees, strung out on sugar-coated cereal as they ripped through three-chord songs about sniffing glue, the neighbourhood, teenage sex and angst.


    End of the Century: The Story of The Ramones is a chronicle of a band whose influence reaches over two generations of musicians. They were kids who grew up together, a gang of misfits united in the belief in salvation and deliverance through the power of rock'n'roll. True pioneers of the punk DIY (do-it-yourself) philosophy, they just picked up instruments and played - talent be damned!


    It was a rocky road for the pseudo-brothers: the success that always seemed around the corner continually faded in the distance, as they were robbed of the title of the originators of punk by the British bands they inspired. The film's title refers to their 1980 album of the same name, produced by the infamous, gun-toting, hit song guru Phil Spector - an endeavour that strained the already tenuous relation between band members. Alcohol and substance abuse divided them further and poor record sales turned dreams of rock glory into gigging as a means of employment.


    First-time filmmakers Michael Gramaglia and Jim Fields shared a love for punk through their high school days and their passion is evident in this candid portrait of a band torn by power struggles and consequences of the lifestyle. Never straying too far from the immediate subject, End of the Century moves from the band's early years, through to the deaths of Joey and Dee Dee and their induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002. Together with unseen live and studio footage, extensive interviews with the ex-bandmates, family, friends and figures from New York City's punk scene, End of the Century not only documents an important chapter in music history, but also chronicles the bonds of childhood friendship and their gradual breakdown.
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