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Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

Last post 06-02-2009 3:52 PM by J.4knee. 9 replies.
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  • 05-09-2009 9:19 AM

    Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    I only ask this because there is a chance that I would be replacing them anyway if I ordered a pair.. With the economy as it is it would/could save a bit.

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  • 05-09-2009 12:09 PM In reply to

    • Coytee
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    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    I don't pretend to speak for the company but my guess is no.  Simply put, it would open an pandoras box for them.

    1.  Can you not intall them in mine?

    2.  Can you install these others instead?

    3.  Can you flip this section out for that section?

     

    Now, on the other hand, if you bought a pair of Jubilees, you'd ONLY get them without crossovers....

    Wink

  • 05-09-2009 2:06 PM In reply to

    • Brac
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    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    My guess is you would be best to buy them stock (probally the only way you can) then sell the x-overs.

    Brac

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  • 05-09-2009 7:28 PM In reply to

    • DrWho
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    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    For what it's worth, the crossovers, or really the overall performance of brand new Heritage is quite a bit more refined than all the used Heritage stuff getting traded around.

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  • 05-10-2009 1:58 PM In reply to

    • Brac
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    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Is refined a good thing?

    Brac

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  • 05-10-2009 3:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Mighty Favog:

    I only ask this because there is a chance that I would be replacing them anyway if I ordered a pair.. With the economy as it is it would/could save a bit.

    First I think it's great that you are considering the new Heritage.

    Just curious but which model or models are you interested in and why do you feel like you would want to change them?

    Have you heard the newest updated models?

    I heard them all at the 2006 pilgrimage in Hope and given a good room for them to be placed in IMHO you would be very hard pressed to improve on them by changing crossovers. Now it would be easy to make them sound different but a real improvement with a crossover change is a different story.

    The Klipschorn with the AK-4 network at a friends house gives the least colored and most detailed and tight bass that I've heard from it to date.

    The LaScala II that day was probably the one I would have most wanted to take home that day based on the sound in the room we heard them in that day. I've owned LaScala and Belle Klipsch both and this by far was the most impressive sound I've ever heard from them.

    The Cornwall III and Heresy III are both very good sounding and again I wouldn't automatically assume that they could be improved with a crossover change.

     

    Of course all this is just my opinion/experience and my taste for what it's worth.

    mike tnSmile

     

     


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  • 05-10-2009 5:10 PM In reply to

    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Well, it all came to the point that I thought my system was "outclassing" my speakers even though I made some changes to them and liked what I heard a lot. I now have KLF-20's and have swapped out the crossovers for BEC's (1st ones in production and pictured on his web site) then his tweeter diaphragms which made the HF sooooooooo much more stable. Maybe is has to so with using 1% variance parts rather than the stock 20% but I could hear the difference in a few high pitched classical pieces.I'm looking at the CW III's and heard them in Indy's Pilgrimage just before they went into production again but thought they were real "forward" in the mids and highs. Along with that I have a rather small room (14' X 19’) with quite a bit of furniture, hardwood floors and half of the back of the room is opens to an additional 18' long hallway. The system is on the short wall. I do plan on some room treatments but they have to be something that doesn’t collect dust (GF allergies) but I'll work on her a little bit more about that later.

    So I was hoping the new crossovers would tone down the mids and highs a bit and give a more consistent bass slam time after time.

    If your not ready for a happening....STAND BACK!!

    Main system: Yamaha PF800 TT w/ Shure V15VxMR, McIntosh C46, MC252, MR85, MVP871, APC H-15, dbx 1231, Klipsch KLF-20's (Crites X-Overs and Ti tweeters), Kimber Hero's, MITerminator2 Bi-wire, Studio Tech U48RW cabinet.

    Second system: McIntosh C33, Carver MXR-150, TL3100 CD , Technics R&B Series SB-7's (mains) and Klipsch RB-61's (remote).

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  • 05-12-2009 8:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Mighty Favog:

    So I was hoping the new crossovers would tone down the mids and highs a bit and give a more consistent bass slam time after time.

    Hey Mighty Favog

     

    To some degree new crossovers(ie:different than stock) and especially if they have some ability to adjust level's of the drivers is basically a somewhat limited re-equalization of the system done at the high volatge level(ie: passive crossover at speaker level) and would be anybodys guess in how that along with your room acoustics might sound to you. One thing for sure it can be a costly hit or miss situation IMO.

    You have probably already tried this but I noticed in your system profile you have a McIntosh C46 which has an 8 band equalizer section for use when needed. Of course it along with any crossover changes will have limited use in compensating for the room acoustics but subtle use of it could help somewhat in your present situation. 

    As far as bass slam, it can be affected by room acoustics and source material as much as the speaker and at any time any and all of these are affecting what you hear but I would really be surprised if a simple crossover change solved that issue.

    Anyway just throwing some thoughts out there to be considered.

     

    Hope you find your answers to your quest for great sound!

    mike tnSmile


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  • 05-31-2009 12:37 AM In reply to

    • Speedball
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    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Brac:

    Is refined a good thing?

     

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  • 06-02-2009 3:52 PM In reply to

    Re: Can Heritage be bought without crossovers??

    Mighty Favog:
    I'm looking at the CW III's and heard them in Indy's Pilgrimage just before they went into production again but thought they were real "forward" in the mids and highs. Along with that I have a rather small room (14' X 19’) with quite a bit of furniture, hardwood floors and half of the back of the room is opens to an additional 18' long hallway. The system is on the short wall. I do plan on some room treatments but they have to be something that doesn’t collect dust (GF allergies) but I'll work on her a little bit more about that later.

    So I was hoping the new crossovers would tone down the mids and highs a bit and give a more consistent bass slam time after time.

    Fixing the bold highlighted text above will have a much more positive and dramatic effect than changing crossovers.  The new Heritage, as alluded to by the good Dr. Who, have a more refined sound.  Their networks are spec’ed to the new drivers they use which are at least minimally different than the older Heritage drivers.  IMO you cannot just simply swap out networks in the new stuff as you'll not easily be able to compensate for the EQ built into these new networks.  I use after market networks in my LS but I would not dream of putting those networks in a set of LS II's.  I heartily congratulate your decision to go with new Heritage but I’d fix your room concerns first, long before I'd consider changing the networks in new CW III’s or any new Heritage.   

     

    R/Jim
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