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Last post 11-18-2009 10:59 AM by Coytee. 16 replies.
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  • 10-24-2009 1:49 PM

    More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    I thought I'd share this cool picture

     

     


    4-way MCM 1900 system
    Modified Khorns with V-Trac horns
    Klipsch Jubilees - passive and active
    Super Cornwalls - need crossover tweaking
    Jamborees with various upper horn experiments

    www.dcchomes.com/Gregsaudio.html
  • 10-24-2009 3:06 PM In reply to

    • GotHover
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    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    You have been busy.

    Dave Harris.....What I don't know is alot. - amateur advice giver.
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  • 10-24-2009 6:20 PM In reply to

    • Coytee
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    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    Cool picture indeed!

  • 10-24-2009 11:43 PM In reply to

    • hklinker
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    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    You could say it's a "Hornucopia" of horns!

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  • 11-08-2009 6:11 PM In reply to

    • dth31
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    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    I installed the V-trac horns, BMS 4592 mids, Beyma CP25 tweeters and ALK Universal crossovers in my 1987 Klipschorns replacing the stock drivers and crossovers last weekend. I’ve got at least 15 hrs of playing music on them, the sound has pretty much stabilized, so I thought I would share my impressions so far. I have not finalized the attenuation setting for the midrange drivers yet. I started at X-4 (6.2 dB attenuation), and subsequently tried 0-1 (12.5 dB), 0-2 (9.5 dB), 1-4 (7.4 dB) and now 0-3 (6.7 dB). I’ll probably leave it at 0-3, but might go back to 1-4. The rest of my system: Scott 299 integrated receiver (run in triode, “Platinum” modification by Sam Kim), Rega Saturn CDP, and MIT Shotgun S3.3 speaker cables. First of all, the V-trac, driver and crossover changes improved the speakers way more than I expected. And I expected substantial improvement. Bottom line: I can’t recommend the upgrades highly enough. The K-horns have been DRAMATICALLY improved across the board, without any downsides that I have identified so far. The modifications were expensive, but at least for me, I feel like the huge improvement in the sound more than justified the cost. Now for the details. The most obvious change is one of much greater clarity. It’s almost like a substantial amount of distortion, “grain” and harshness is now gone, yielding a much lower noise floor and making the music more emphasized. Individual orchestral instruments are now easier to follow. Lyrics are easier to understand. Voices are much more natural. Instruments have more accurate timbre. There is more “air” around instruments and more sense of the acoustic space. There is also a bit more liquidity and midrange warmth. Altogether MUCH easier to listen to for hours. The biggest problem I have is wanting to turn up the volume too loud. I think before the upgrades, I listened at lower volume levels because of the grain and harshness. That’s much, much reduced now, and a big improvement. Before the upgrades, I thought the K-horns had a very wide if somewhat indistinct and unstable soundstage. I have the speakers in exactly the same place and the soundstage has improved a LOT. Wider, deeper, stable and more natural. For those who may be curious, I don't have any experience with with any other driver/horn/crossover modifications. And I don't foresee any need to: these K-horns sound wonderful! There is one other thing I would like to comment on, and that is the bass performance of the stock speaker, which I did not replace. About a month ago, prior to installing the upgrades, I switched out my Kimber 8TC speaker cables for MIT Shotgun S3.3 cables. Holy cow! For those of you who feel like the K-horn is somewhat bass-shy (and I formerly felt that way), you might want to try MIT cables. I feel like I almost have too much bass now. At least in my system, the MIT cables made a dramatic (and welcome) change. Very highly recommended.
  • 11-09-2009 12:39 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    dth31 - I couldn't agree with you more.  You described the improvement exactly.

    Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid.
  • 11-10-2009 12:10 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Horns

    Well guys that is just about what I expirenced as well!!! A really great upgrade for these speakers!!! Way to go Greg!!!

     

    Jay


  • 11-10-2009 9:16 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    I think I am next on the list for the demo units.  After spending a day watching Mike Lindsay play golf and listening to him yammer on about how great these were, I knew I needed to give them a try.

    Very much looking forward to hearing them soon!

    Chris

    http://users.adelphia.net/~chris.robinson3/index.htm

    Rosewood Klipschorns w/ ALK Crossovers, Jean Francois Lessard 2A3 Horus SET with Cobalt Output Transformers, Jean Francois Lessard Pantheon Pre-Amp, Njoe Tjoeb 2000 CDP

  • 11-10-2009 9:23 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    PS:  In order to save a few dollars, I am thinking of recycling my K-77's into Greg's V-Trac setup.  Are his tweeters a significant improvement in the sound over the K-77's?   I'm thinking that most of the improvement in sound is in the midrange ...

    Thoughts welcomed.

    http://users.adelphia.net/~chris.robinson3/index.htm

    Rosewood Klipschorns w/ ALK Crossovers, Jean Francois Lessard 2A3 Horus SET with Cobalt Output Transformers, Jean Francois Lessard Pantheon Pre-Amp, Njoe Tjoeb 2000 CDP

  • 11-16-2009 11:07 PM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    Hey Chris,

    I think that the tweeters Greg recomends and likes are better than the k-77 but, I happen to think that by moving the tweeters to the outside of the tophat you are able to hear it better. In my system the k-77 sounds alot better on the outside vs when it was directly over the mid horn. I just like what I am hearing now the way it is set up. Maybe in the future I'll try something else but, I'm good for now.

     Jay


  • 11-17-2009 9:57 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

     Thanks for the feedback, Jay ... I know on my old Cornwall II's (vertical tweeter), I preferred the positioning to the1980's vintage CornwallI where the tweeter was right over the midrange, so your comments jive ...

    Many thanks!

    Chris

    http://users.adelphia.net/~chris.robinson3/index.htm

    Rosewood Klipschorns w/ ALK Crossovers, Jean Francois Lessard 2A3 Horus SET with Cobalt Output Transformers, Jean Francois Lessard Pantheon Pre-Amp, Njoe Tjoeb 2000 CDP

  • 11-17-2009 10:33 PM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    No, I'm not huffing. 


    4-way MCM 1900 system
    Modified Khorns with V-Trac horns
    Klipsch Jubilees - passive and active
    Super Cornwalls - need crossover tweaking
    Jamborees with various upper horn experiments

    www.dcchomes.com/Gregsaudio.html
  • 11-17-2009 10:34 PM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    I know, I know, I should be using the 402's somewhere. 

     


    4-way MCM 1900 system
    Modified Khorns with V-Trac horns
    Klipsch Jubilees - passive and active
    Super Cornwalls - need crossover tweaking
    Jamborees with various upper horn experiments

    www.dcchomes.com/Gregsaudio.html
  • 11-17-2009 10:36 PM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

    I use Sony 46" and 50" Bravia TV boxes to make the V-Trac boxes.  Recycling. 


    4-way MCM 1900 system
    Modified Khorns with V-Trac horns
    Klipsch Jubilees - passive and active
    Super Cornwalls - need crossover tweaking
    Jamborees with various upper horn experiments

    www.dcchomes.com/Gregsaudio.html
  • 11-18-2009 8:52 AM In reply to

    Re: More V-Trac Khorn upgrades

     Those are looking great as always.

     

    I think you need to get a spray gun though and stop buying all those little cans.

    (says the guy who brushes everything on).

     

    -Josh

    '81 Heresy's
    Sennheiser HD-414
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