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  • 01-14-2008 9:01 PM

    • SWL
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    Crown XTI-2000..........

    Recently purchased a couple of XTI-2000's to run the HF on my RF-7's. I'm very happy with the sound so far, a significant improvement over the XLS-series.

    My question is about the signal lights. The lights on the left side light up before the right side. The right side doesn't light up untilI I turn the volume up over 3/4 of the way. After that, or any louder than that, they pulsate almost the same. Both sides sound the same, can't tell any difference. Is this normal for these amps?

    Thanks, Scott.

    #1 RF-7's(6).......RSW-15's(2).....SVS PB-12 Ultra 2......SVS PB-12 Plus 2........Crown XTI 2000's(6).......Cambridge Audio preamp......Jolida JD 100 cdp......Denon DVD......BFD.....GIK Room Treatments......30 amp source

    #2 RB-75's(2)......LF-10.....Marantz 3600.......Marantz MA-700's......Denon cdp

    #3 (patio) RB-35's(2).......KG 3.5's(2).......Velodyne CHT-15's(2)......Cambridge Audio integrated 540a.........Denon cdp
  • 01-15-2008 7:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    SWL:

    Recently purchased a couple of XTI-2000's to run the HF on my RF-7's. I'm very happy with the sound so far, a significant improvement over the XLS-series.

    My question is about the signal lights. The lights on the left side light up before the right side. The right side doesn't light up untilI I turn the volume up over 3/4 of the way. After that, or any louder than that, they pulsate almost the same. Both sides sound the same, can't tell any difference. Is this normal for these amps?

    Thanks, Scott.

    Scott, 

    Are you operating these in a mode other than "Stereo", e.g., are you operating in crossover mode ("XOVER")?

    Chris

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  • 01-15-2008 6:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    They are operating in "DSP OFF".

    #1 RF-7's(6).......RSW-15's(2).....SVS PB-12 Ultra 2......SVS PB-12 Plus 2........Crown XTI 2000's(6).......Cambridge Audio preamp......Jolida JD 100 cdp......Denon DVD......BFD.....GIK Room Treatments......30 amp source

    #2 RB-75's(2)......LF-10.....Marantz 3600.......Marantz MA-700's......Denon cdp

    #3 (patio) RB-35's(2).......KG 3.5's(2).......Velodyne CHT-15's(2)......Cambridge Audio integrated 540a.........Denon cdp
  • 01-15-2008 6:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    Call Crown at (800) 342-6939.

    They can answer your question...unless you simply enjoy listening to a bunch of goof balls speculating endlessly... WinkBig Smile

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  • 01-15-2008 6:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    My brother owns the XTi-1000, and it too has the same affliction as your 2000. His Crown is powering a DIY subwoofer with dual 15s (I believe in mono mode, but I'm not sure) and DSP off. The LCD display is now also beginning to flicker bright to dim intermittingly, so it seems this XTi series has quality control issues. Soundwise it performs flawlessly!

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  • 01-15-2008 6:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    SWL:

    They are operating in "DSP OFF".

    Interesting.  My units (two XTi-1000s in bi-amp mode each driving one Jubilee two-way speaker) only indicate left channel LEDs. However, initially I had them in "DSP-off" mode when I set things up.  In that mode, I recall seeing both channel LEDs indicating as you would expect them to.

    I would agree that a quick call to Crown support may be the best solution, even if you risk being told to "read the manual".  I don't see anything in my manual that would explain your XTi behavior.  The only other source to try before calling them is to load Harmon Kardon's "System Architect" software (a free 100 MByte download) and look at their help files.   Their application seems to have a bit more information encoded into their online help.

    Regards,

    Chris 

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  • 01-15-2008 7:29 PM In reply to

    • SWL
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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    In the meantime.............nothing sounds out of whack. Very easy on the ears compared to the XLS's.

    #1 RF-7's(6).......RSW-15's(2).....SVS PB-12 Ultra 2......SVS PB-12 Plus 2........Crown XTI 2000's(6).......Cambridge Audio preamp......Jolida JD 100 cdp......Denon DVD......BFD.....GIK Room Treatments......30 amp source

    #2 RB-75's(2)......LF-10.....Marantz 3600.......Marantz MA-700's......Denon cdp

    #3 (patio) RB-35's(2).......KG 3.5's(2).......Velodyne CHT-15's(2)......Cambridge Audio integrated 540a.........Denon cdp
  • 01-15-2008 8:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    SWL:

    In the meantime.............nothing sounds out of whack. Very easy on the ears compared to the XLS's.

    Good to know that the LED indicators are not "mission critical" accessories on these amps.

    I remember that when I programmed each XTi, the first thing I had to do was to update the firmware operating system using the USB and the application I mentioned above.  It only took a few seconds once everything was hooked up with the application installed and running on a laptop/desktop PC. Note that I just bought my XTis less than a month ago and they already had OS updates from Crown available.

    Not that I'm saying that the LED problem is software- or firmware-related but it doesn't cost anything but a little time to hook them up to your computer  to update, assuming you have USB and a high-speed connection to download the application.  Heck, there are neat things that you can program on the XTis even if you are using them in stereo mode. 

    If you find the core issue on the LED thing, I'd like to know.

    Regards and good vibs, 

    Chris 

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  • 01-15-2008 8:48 PM In reply to

    • SWL
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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    Yes I will. I'll try calling them again tomorrow if I have time. I didn't have much luck with the tech I talked to today.

    #1 RF-7's(6).......RSW-15's(2).....SVS PB-12 Ultra 2......SVS PB-12 Plus 2........Crown XTI 2000's(6).......Cambridge Audio preamp......Jolida JD 100 cdp......Denon DVD......BFD.....GIK Room Treatments......30 amp source

    #2 RB-75's(2)......LF-10.....Marantz 3600.......Marantz MA-700's......Denon cdp

    #3 (patio) RB-35's(2).......KG 3.5's(2).......Velodyne CHT-15's(2)......Cambridge Audio integrated 540a.........Denon cdp
  • 01-15-2008 9:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    In the meantime you might try swapping inputs to verify that the difference is independent of the input signals. 

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    Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
    Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?

    Chico: Hey, wait, wait. What does this say here? This thing here.
    Groucho: Oh, that? Oh, that's the usual clause. That's in every contract. That just says uh, it says uh, "If any of the parties participating in this contract is shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified."
    Chico: Well, I don't know...
    Groucho: It's all right, that's, that's in every contract. That's, that's what they call a 'sanity clause'.
    Chico: Ha ha ha ha ha! You can't fool me! There ain't no Sanity Clause!

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  • 01-15-2008 9:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    mas:

    In the meantime you might try swapping inputs to verify that the difference is independent of the input signals. 

    Worth a try...........here's the story.........

     Bought the first XTI a few days ago. Used it briefly to run a pair of RB-75's. The lights functioned the same on both the right and left sides, seemed normal.

    A few days later decided to pick up another XTI 2000 since I was impressed with the sound quality. This time, I'm using both XTI-2000's to power the HF's on my RF-7's that I'm bi-amping using an active crossover. Bi-amping four RF-7's by the way. Both XTI's are behaving the same way with the lights. Keep in mind the first XTI did not behave this way when it was running the RB-75's (not bi-amped)

    All the while, the audio on the left and right side sound exactly the same and very good I might add.  DSP OFF and both channels are on in stereo..

     

    #1 RF-7's(6).......RSW-15's(2).....SVS PB-12 Ultra 2......SVS PB-12 Plus 2........Crown XTI 2000's(6).......Cambridge Audio preamp......Jolida JD 100 cdp......Denon DVD......BFD.....GIK Room Treatments......30 amp source

    #2 RB-75's(2)......LF-10.....Marantz 3600.......Marantz MA-700's......Denon cdp

    #3 (patio) RB-35's(2).......KG 3.5's(2).......Velodyne CHT-15's(2)......Cambridge Audio integrated 540a.........Denon cdp
  • 01-15-2008 9:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    I an not clear as to exactly how you are biamping these speakers.... ( and in an aside not aimed at you! In the last year I could not have anticipated seeing so many screwy ideas regarding bi-tri-amping as I have seen...so I no longer make any assumptions regarding "bi-amping"... Wink)

    A diagram indicating the exact signal flow including how each amp is configured (specifically!) might help.

    But if the lights functioned 'properly' before biamping, and BOTH are now behaving exactly the same after your change, I would say you have a difference in signals/loads and the issue is topology related.  

    Nobody gets in to see the Wizard.
    Not Nobody. Not No How.

    The Law of Conservation of Ignorance: A false conclusion once arrived at & widely accepted is not easily dislodged, & the less it is understood the more tenaciously it is held.

    Scarecrow: I haven't got a brain... only straw.
    Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
    Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?

    Chico: Hey, wait, wait. What does this say here? This thing here.
    Groucho: Oh, that? Oh, that's the usual clause. That's in every contract. That just says uh, it says uh, "If any of the parties participating in this contract is shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified."
    Chico: Well, I don't know...
    Groucho: It's all right, that's, that's in every contract. That's, that's what they call a 'sanity clause'.
    Chico: Ha ha ha ha ha! You can't fool me! There ain't no Sanity Clause!

    Offers not good after curfew in sectors R or N,.
  • 01-16-2008 2:16 AM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    I think when he is biamping and he said it is with the active crossover he is doing the fool's bi amping. careful with the horn is something I must suggest. 

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    BREAKS THE HEART,
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    AND
    always will.

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    RB-75 Cherry
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  • 01-16-2008 5:57 AM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    Jay481985:

    I think when he is biamping ...he is doing the fool's bi amping....


    Oh oh.

    Without knowing any of the details: 

    If you call up Crown and mention "bi-amping", they are going to assume a PROPER bi-amping topology - not some innovative creative goofiness utilized in the faraway land of 'audiophilia'.Wink

    IF a variant of this is being used, you are on your own...and if this is indeed the case, let the lights tell you something!

    My suggestion: Bi or Tri-amp properly or don't do it at all. Without  doing it fully and properly you are simply wasting a perfectly good amp(s)  without realizing the benefits of proper bi/tri-amping

                                                                                                -> HF->  amp -> Tweeter

    source -> pre  -> active xovr with signal alignment             -> MF-> amp -> Mid

                                                                                                 -> LF-> amp -> Woofer

    Nobody gets in to see the Wizard.
    Not Nobody. Not No How.

    The Law of Conservation of Ignorance: A false conclusion once arrived at & widely accepted is not easily dislodged, & the less it is understood the more tenaciously it is held.

    Scarecrow: I haven't got a brain... only straw.
    Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
    Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?

    Chico: Hey, wait, wait. What does this say here? This thing here.
    Groucho: Oh, that? Oh, that's the usual clause. That's in every contract. That just says uh, it says uh, "If any of the parties participating in this contract is shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified."
    Chico: Well, I don't know...
    Groucho: It's all right, that's, that's in every contract. That's, that's what they call a 'sanity clause'.
    Chico: Ha ha ha ha ha! You can't fool me! There ain't no Sanity Clause!

    Offers not good after curfew in sectors R or N,.
  • 01-16-2008 7:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Crown XTI-2000..........

    remember that since the active crossover is still in play, basically you are sending the same amount of power to the horn and the woofers which is a no no since the horns do not need nearly as much juice as the woofers. To do true bi amping you must remove the active crossover and put in you own crossover. 

    BECAUSE GREAT SOUND
    fills the room, shakes the house,

    BREAKS THE HEART,
    stirs the soul,

    AND
    always will.

    Officially been given the title "Jubilee Lust" er.... by Berry Boy.

    RF-83 Cherry
    RB-75 Cherry
    RSW12
    TC Sounds (Audio Pulse) LMS 5400 18"
    Denon 3805
    Crown XTI 1000
    Denon 2910
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